Raw Las Vegas caught up with Randy Couture at a charity golf tournament to talk to him about his upcoming fight with WWE superstar Brock Lesnar at UFC 91.
So call me what you want as i dont care i dont know you and you dont know me but if your going to try and degrade someone on this site or anyother that really shows your integtity and overall intelligence as real men dont talk shit on this sil sites, i am merely pointing out your lack of knowledge in areas even if those are your opinions which your entitled to have…just trying to educate you make you actually think about this match up.
Yeah well as u say u r trying to educate me I would say that me and ryan s r trying to do the same to you but to be honest nobody knows how this fight is going to end and u DID get defensive when others thought randy had a chance but all that aside I really dont care because the truth is randy is 45 yrs old with years of experience on lesnar and lesnar is younger and more powerful that is all obvious. I said what I hope and think is going to happen but like always u cant know whats going to happen so im done arguing and I am ready to argue about something else.
See i did teach you something…no one wins an argument….and we will have to wait and see…by the way i never said randy had no chance…i said he didnt have much of one even with all those 45 years of experience in him since he was a baby he was doing MMA right?..JK but seriously Lesnar has over 20 years of wrestling experience so it should be a good match i hope its not a one sided shin dig like th Herring fight.
nobody said randy doesnt have a chance. that would be a stupid statement. randy's a warrior. he wins all the time when u dont think he will. he's the champ no shit he has a chance. he should consider himself lucky to be facing brock when brock's only had 3 fights because i think brock in a few years is gunna be near unstopable. everyone knows randy could take it it's mma anything can happen. i have never seen randy win a fight where he couldnt control someone and bully them around and alls im saying is that will be very hard to takedown brock and keep him there.
Spoken very well…exactly.
Nobody talks about the fight with MIR .. was that a fluke?
Doesn't Randy have more experience than Brock?
I'm with you whodini…I think Randy is going to be very good at exposing Lesnar's flaws.
people dont really talk about the mir fight because mir is a completely different fighter. randy doesnt have the subs that mir has. randy doesnt have the kicks that mir has. mir doesnt have the wrestling or boxing that randy has. randy's finished like 1 fight with a submission. while submissions is practically all mir is good at. i dont think the mir fight can really be judged either seeing as lesnar dominated him and then a questionalbe restart by the ref and then a quick sub. who knows if it was a fluke or not.
i agree with dane to a point, randy is alot better fighter than mir but styles make fights and his skill set is similair to brocks.i could see brock beating some top guys well still losing to lower level guys with the right skills.mir is not even a top 10 fighter but beat him in 90 seconds if you want to look at it that way.randy the better fighter will have a tough time with brock, i am not saying he is going to lose but i would give brock the advantage in this fight.
Roy, thats pretty much what I tried to say. I couldn't agree more.
mir has the advantage that most heavyweights aren't that well versed on the ground. i can't wait for his fight with nogiera. i hope its a ground war.
i think randy is going to look to control the fight, get brock to the ground on his back where he isn't comfortable, and then pound away.
HMM Brock not comfortable on his back…okay he was only a national champion wrestler and has over 20 years experience in various postions, example from his back. I dont think Randy can contain the much stronger and faster overall lesnar especially mount him and keep him there for long…come on lesnar is 280 and moves like a damn 140lbs man while Randy is 225 and even with all that experience exposing flaws or whatever he is still 45 and facing a much more stronger and overall better wrestler and faster one that he is…Randy can not get into situations where strength or speed is involved..he somehow has to neutralize the bigger lesnar and just try and duke it out or Sub him…that is the only way Randy will win this fight…but Lesnar has the advantage by far and i am sorry but if you have someone with the overall skills and abilities of Lesnar with 20 years plus of national championship wrestling he will be anyone 8 out of 10 times..its just the law of mathamatics and gravity if you understand that.
Doesn't Randy's 20+ years of national championship wrestling count for anything? The man almost went to the Olympics for chrissakes!
And NO wrestler likes to be on their back.
Randy was NEVER a National Champion…only runner ups sorry man but do some research before you start writing BS…Randy was a state Champ in HIGH SCHOOL and he didnt wrestle at HWGHT, he was 190lbs. Lesanr was a National Champion in DIV 1 College as a HWGHT 2000 undefeated in HS 46-0 and had 2 State championships in HS, compiled a 106-5 record in College, Randed the #1 HWGHT in the Nation in 99 and 2000, Randy was chosen as an alternate on the US team and Lesnar turned down the olympics to make millions with the WWE sorry gold medal or make multi millions…Duh wrestler dont like to be on there backs therefore i dont think Randy can get him there or keep him there for long as that is what he is very good at staying off his back. I am sorry but i give the 20 plus years of HWGHT wrestling experience to Brock over Randy's 190lb, no Championships experience in wrestling…all around MMA..for sure its Randy but overall ability and skill i have to give it to Brock.
Maybe you should as well:
Couture graduated from Lynnwood High School in Lynnwood, Washington where he won a State Championship during his senior year. Couture served in the U.S. Army from 1982–1988. Upon discharge, he was a three-time Olympic team alternate (1988, 1992 and 1996); a semifinalist at the 2000 Olympic Trials; a three-time National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division-I All-American and a two-time NCAA Division-I runner-up at Oklahoma State University. In 1992 he was the Division-1 runner up at 190 pounds coming in second after Mark Kerr.
HE WAS STILL AN ALL-AMERICAN COLLEGIATE WRESTLER. THE MAN ALMOST WENT TO THE OLYMPICS, NOT ONCE BUT 3 TIMES. THAT IS AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER, THAN AN NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP.
DUDE as i stated Earlier wrestling at 190 is very different than wrestling and the caliber of a wrestler it takes to be a dominant HWGHT as Lesnar was not to mention again..team USA offered Lesnar a TEAM SPOT in the Olympics..not an atlernate which is like saying i am good but only good enough to back you up. Lesnar said no to make Millions in the WWE…as stated earlier Gold medal oppurtunity or Multi Millions…you choose. From a former HS Champ take it like a man when i say there is a much different styl much different caliber of wrestlers at HWHGT and it takes a very very skilled, athletic and conditioned wrestler to dominate at HWGHT as the skills you rely on are much different that at any level although the base is still the same the technique involved is far vast than other divisions. I am very aware of Randy's past my friend but that was in the 1980's when he wrestled at top level 190lbs…the competion and skills involved in wrestling at top level have changed quite a bit since 1980 its been over almost 30 years since Randy wrestled at that level and Lesnar has been wrestling since he was 10…so he has 21 years of dominant wrestling experience so i am very well educated in the wrestling area as i am a former runner up state champ for Div 1 CA in 99 and multiple CIF champ at 152lbs..i know train MMA mainly wrestling and BJJ for fun and excercise i do not fight. So i do know a thing or to about wrestling and the background and whats involved to be a great HWGHT wrestler and i am sorry but Lesnars overall abilities and skills made him the most dominate HWGHT in College and to say your are ranked the #1 HWGHT in DIV 1 wrestling is frankly far better than saying i was a alternate for team USA in the olympics…as anyone can be an alternate but few can be called the #1 wrestler in their weight class in the whole damn United states. So to sum it up go back online and search for something else so i can prove your wrong again.
Dude? Take it like a man? You do realize I'm a chick, right?
Still, you didn't prove anything wrong.
Regardless of what Randy wrestled in HS/College, he's been fighting at HW in the UFC and been doing just fine.
People don't just "get offered" a shot at the olympics. Many athletes offered to train him for the olympics (meaning the trials), but he didn't get an automatic shot. I'd like to see your source on that. And he also considered going to play in the NFL, but VM offered him more money. (and personally, I would've taken the gold medal opportunity).
I'm not arguing the differences between weight classes. But wrestling didn't change much in the 10 years between when the two were in college. He was in the ARMY until 88. And in college after that – where do you get "over almost 30 years"? He's college/olympic career ended in like 96 – not that long ago.
Who was asking for your credentials?
And if you know so much, you'd know that MMA isn't all wrestling, just like it's not all BJJ or MT or striking. It's a combo.
Anyone can be an alternate? Are you kidding me? I GUARANTEE any alternate would probably destroy you on a wrestling mat.
Chick, Man whatever you are..Randy is not a true HWHGT and he not fought a true HWGHT meaning somone who is bout 265…280 fight time of pure muscle, strenght, speed and very powerful and extremely talented in wrestling the base of all fighting styles….the beginning of time. Okay he wasnt offered a SPOT on the team per say..he was offered to train for spot onTEAM USA….you win on that won my verbage was wrong. But he opted to make millions instead. I get almost 30 years from 1982 when he wrestled in HS to know….i understand he ended his wrestling career in96 but Lesnar ended his in 2000, but continued to train and my point being you cant teach an old dog new tricks…so if Randy learned wrestling back in 82 and lesnar learned it in early 90's and became a national standout at HWGHT in both HS and college and i am sorry but i can tell you this there are not to many people on any US Olympic Team that can say they were Ranked the #1 wrestler in their wieght class in the whole US, so there is a great respect that goes along with that…as equal if not greater than saying i was an alternate to team USA. Thats my opinion coming from a wrestling background and FYI Kurt Angle an Olympic Champion in 96 wrestled Brock Lesnar in an unofficial wrestling match not WWE crap real wrestling… and rumore are that Lesnar Beat Angle by a point. angle was a true HWGHT in College and olympics where Randy is not even close to that caliber. I am done with this as the bottom line is when it comes to wrestling Lesnar has the superb upper hand by far….Randy has the edge in experience but overall skills and abilities i have to go with Lesnar…he just is too much of an overall threat to Randy where Randy is a threat but not nearly as threatning to Lesnar..Lesnar has him beat in strenght, speed,power, wrestling, etc.. except Subs that is it. it should be a great match i hope.
tim theres a couple things i think you may be wrong about, i am not 100% sure of either 1. brock got cut by the vikings he did not make the team 2. i heard the story of the match between brock and angle and everytime i heard about it angle won 3. i don't know why anyone would pass on the olympics for the wwe when you can make money by getting a medal(through endorsements) and the wwe would have been there when he got back i am not saying that its not true i just don't understand that.
ps matt lindland is the best wrestler to come into mma(silver medal olympics)
So what that he's not a true heavyweight? Fighters change weight classes ALL the time. Should they not be allowed to then?
Randy never fought a true HW? What was Tim Sylvia?
Your mistake wasn't verbage. Coutre actually MADE the Olympics as an alternate. He wasn't just offered training. Big difference. Like roy said, he could've made millions on the endorsements, and even gone into the WWE after the olympics. You think Michael Phelps is hurting for money right now?
"That level" of wrestling, as you put it, wasn't over when he was in HS. He was at an even higher level in 1988 when he went to college. And even after college he also continued to train. You are REALLY reaching on the big time difference. Yeah, Randy learned wrestling in 1982 and hasn't stopped.
As far as your NCAA Champion/Olympic wrestlers:
Ben Askren – 2nd in 04 and 05, 1st in 06 and 07 at 174
Daniel Cormier – 2nd in 01 at HW
Andy Hrovat – also placed 4 times in 4 years at MW
Steve Mocco – won in 05 at 285 – without losing a match.
So maybe YOU should do some research so I can prove you wrong? Obviously there are olympic athletes that CAN say that they were ranked the #1 wrestler in their weight class in the whole US. Olympians don't deserve your respect? They beat the best in the WORLD. Collegiate athletes only beat the best in the NCAA. What if the greatest wrestler never goes to college?
Regarding Lesnar/Angle – I heard the same as Roy, but couldn't find the article where I read it.
Lesnar has his size. But the bigger they are the harder they fall (and speed…I don't think so!)
By Far i agree with you on Lindlend…
1-brock made the team and got cut for not showing up to practice due to injuries sustained during a motorcycle accident. 2-I have heard both but chose to put the version in favor of Lesnar..who knows but from what we know both are very accomplished wrestlers so to lose to either wouldnt be a shame. 3-Lesnar was at a road block either he could..coach, train for the olympics or make immediate millions in the WWE…he chose the money.. i heard he was training for the olympics when VM called him and offered him a developmental deal and keep in mind he was very young at only 20 something but less that 25 at that time and had many options but chose to make money…hell i would that is just me though. Not to mention getting a multi milllion endorsement from the olympics from wrestling has never been done…so there isnt much money to be made. There just isnt that draw factor like swimming, etc…in olympic wrestling.
Seriously though we are starting to get way off subject…wrestling is a big part of MMA but its not all MMA..Lesnar is still young and learning but has extreme potential. Both him and Randy while i believe Lesnar is the overall better wrestler they both are well accomplished in that area. This fight should be a good one…
hey i heard that someone possed as Lorenzo of the UFC and called the Couture Gym and told Kim Couture that Lesnar injured himself in training and the fight is off….they actually believed it until they called Dana and he confirmed that was all BS…and Brock is healthy and fine. I cant wait.
First off i never said Olypians dont have my respect i merly stated an opinion that being Ranked #1 twice in the NAtion at HWGHT means alot, and to me alot more than saying i was a stupid alternate…RANDY NEVER WRESTLED AT ANY OLYMPICS he was just a bystander waiting for a chance to wrestle So he never was a olympian and is no Kurt Angle, Dan Gable, etc.. Since you are a women i understand you are uneducated in the wrestling and phyisical areas…wrestling has a base and the technique and skills and moves have adapted over the years and all i am saying is Randy is 45 lesnar is 31..big age gap and an even bigger gap in wieght and wrestling competion at their very different wrestling divisions..A true HWGHT is not a dumb ass like Tim Sylvia who is overwight and out of shape and not very good fighter….sorry my friend but your wrong there…a True HWGHT is someone like Brock Lesnar…someone has the strength, the power, the speed, the skills and the mindset..meaning someone who is 265lbs..the wieght limit to fight at HWGHT….hence the word True HWGHT..Lesnar is the biggest overall HWGHT to come into MMA with the overall abilities he has. Look another exampl Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez and altough these guys are big…they do not nearly look as big compared to Lesnar…nor to they have the accomplished background. The bigger they are the harder they fall….okay true if your boxing…but MMA that is not true at all….but you have a good point on that. What makes you think that Randy being 45 is capable of containing Lesnar Physicall and mentally when he overmatched Randy's strenghts in every are but Subs and experience…the law of gravity prevails…the smaller they are the further you can throw them, the weaker they are the easier it is to crush them, etc… Olympians earn all my respect i was stating a point that being ranked number1 in the NAtion deserves respect as well. Yes lesnar is Faster than Randy when it comes to wrestling…it took him 2 seconds from drop to takedown in both the Mir and Herring fights…not to mention how can you stop a 280lbs man who runs the 40 in like 4.5 seconds from taking you and dropping your flat on your ass…the fact is you wont…lesnar will take Randy down at will and Randy will expend alot more energy in trying to maneuver and take him down. Lesnar was the most conditioned wrestler in his wieight class and known for this nation wide. Lesnar has made alot of money…more than any MMAfighte will ever see…his net worth as stated by Forbes magazine is an estimated 34Million..but you wouldnt know it as Lesnar is not a materialistic guy..he owns 30 acres of land in Minnesota and his wife Sable is worth more than him. As lesnar stated he isnt fighting for the money he doesnt need it he is fighting to challenge himself and show the world what he can do. Win lose he has earned my respect for simply being the only natural pure athlete at his size to come in and start off in the UFC and literally dominate top level talent..sure he has alot to learn. Long story short as i stated earlier they are both well accomplished wrestlers but Lesnar i beliee has the upper hand and will win this fight.
No you didn't, but you implied that NCAA champs deserve it more.
An alternate is nothing to sneeze at! Randy still MADE THE TEAM. THAT is a big deal!
Don't start with the sexist BS – that makes your argument THAT MUCH WEAKER. You gonna try to tell me that women that the female wrestlers know less than you because they're chicks?
No one is arguing the validity of the sport!
Yes, there is a big age difference, but it's not like Randy stopped training! 45 doesn't mean he stops learning!
You sound an awful lot like a Brock commercial…A true HW this, a true HW that….rriiiigghhhtt….
Tim Sylvia naturally walks around under 265. So by your standards, he's a true HW.
In MMA that's not true? Did you see Sylvia fall with Randy? Looked pretty hard to me.
I would ABSOLUTELY give Randy the mental game. Hands down. Physically, yes, Lesnar will prove tough for Randy. No one denied that. But DO NOT count Randy out. Randy has fought bigger men, have you ever seen anyone really "throw" him? And I wouldn't call him weak either.
I didn't deny that NCAA champs deserve respect, but the fact that Randy was an olympic alternate deserves it too.
An NFL running back averages the 40 in 4.22….I really don't see Lesnar doing that.
What does this have to do with money? He still needs to prove himself in the UFC to me. He should've earned it just like everyone else.
My point, bottom line, is that no one should be counting Randy out. They did against Sylvia, and he proved a lot of people wrong.
First off NFL running backs are not 290lbs when lesnar was with the Vikings he ran the 40 in 4.5 the fastest for his wieght and Defensive End position. Not to mention having no such football background except for HS is pretty damn good to make the team,That is a big deal. Yes both deserve respect by the way… no i am not saying female wrestlers are not intelligente but until they have the accomplishments that i and many others have obtained i dont really care what they have to say..thats simply my opinion as there are some female wrestlers i grew up with that i admire and have proved intellifence in this sport. Your still not getting it a True HWGHT isnt 265 lbs and looks like shit fell out of a can, has no quickness or real strenght or the overall abilites that a HWGHT should have…Tim Sylvia is piece of shit at 265 and he looks like it…True HWGHT someone of pure Muscle, strenght, power, speed and overall athletic ability…lesnar commercial or not that is a fact Lesnar is the only TRue HWGHT and Randy has never ever faced the likes of Lesnar before, nor has Lesanr which does make this fight interesting as its the Legend versus the rookie and future legend but overall Lesnar is just too big and has to many skills that Randy can not match..Mentally i think your wrong…Wrestlers are the best when it comes to the mental game…Randy is matched up very well there as well…Overall MMA experience yes but experience will not override brute strenght and skill of lesnar..He earned my respect for fighting top level fighters so early on…does he deserve a title shot NO….but he is due respect…and will shoe it come NOv 15th…i think your going to be very shocked to see Randy get dominated…just wait…..i dont see Randy being able to control the much bigger lesnar…
Point Taken…but i never counted Randy out i merlly said he had little chance in beating Lesnar…i never count anyone out…never no matter how little of a chance i give them. hell i was rooting for Randy to beat the crap out of Sylvia…i like the guy i just dont think he has the overall ability to beat a man like lesnar.
Literally dominate top level talent? Ok Tim, now I see how valid you are. Lesnar is a true heavyweight, a true heavyweight that went for the money and not the sport…he has the heart of a true heavyweight doesn't he? I didn't do any research because, I just don't care enough. From what I just read though, Randy was invited to be an alternate, meaning they liked his skill level and wanted him to be a backup, but Lesnar was invited to just train with them? Was it even for sure that he was going to compete? Could that be why he turned it down? Hell, I was invited by the Muay Thai instructor at Xtreme Couture to train with them. I don't even fight, I just like to train. I don't know. Tim, you have said repeatedly that you met Lesnar once at some gym at some place. Are you one of those people that goes all crazy after meeting a celebrity and thinks they are friends with you? Because if that's the case, me and Matt Hughes are BEST friends. Chill Tim, no one is saying Lesnar sucks, no one is even saying Lesnar is not good. He is good. His stregth and wrestling makes him really good. And I agree, he will be unstoppable given some time. But Randy is probably going to give him a hard time, though not as hard of a time as he will give Randy. And seriously, just because you can hit hard, DOESN'T MAKE YOU A BETTER STRIKER, it takes more than that. Do you work on any standup when you train? If you did, you should know that Lesnar isn't the better striker.
Brock won his last fight with power and his weight. He lacks the MMA experience because he relies too much on his weight and strength. However if he trains more on MMA Muay Thai and Boxing, he will be a force to be reconed with. But how well can he take a strike from someone like…Randy Couture. He's wrestling conditioned, not MMA conditioned.I think Randy will bring him down.
All good points but your overlooking the factor of Randy can not match strength or Power and will therefore use more energy in trying to control lesnar and bring him down where Lesnar will manhandle him and take him down like he did so easily with MIR and Herring, even if those guys had no wrestling experience it doesnt matter when your 280 and that fast a 2 second drop to takedown…no one is going to sprawl and be able to stop it there just to much force coming forward at you. Regarding Alternate…anyone can try out as an Alternate there is no rules about that…making it as an alternate well yes you must of showed something…theres is no doubt about that. But saying Randy was an Olypian when he never fucking wrestling a damn olympic match is pure Bull Shit…he isnt an Olympic Athlete…as they all competed in the olympics to earn tha title…thats all i am saying being an Alternate doesnt make you an Olympic Athlete unless you competed in the Olympics. Being Ranked #1 HWGHT in the US should earn some sort of respect…besides this crap Anyone would not pass up the oppurtunity to make mad cash at such a young age early 20's…so you cant say Lesnar has no heart at all because he doesnt need this money in MMA he is set for life…he is fighting for himself and to show the world he can do MMA…now if you think lesnar is only using his wrestling and strength and power then your partially wrong cause isnt MMA about using your strenghths and carrying out a game plan according to them???? not to mention lesnar has been working far more than just what he is good at…he threw some leg kicks in the Herring fight and some nasty knees…no shit the man has stuff to work on he is only 3 years into this MMA sport…shit give hte man his dues and respect for being a rookie and he is taking on top level talent in HWGHT Div no matter how weak it is its still the top…both Herring and MIR are Top level talent not top 5 but there up there…yes i have met lesnar and no i dont get all crazy an shit casue i met lesnar back in 99 when he was a no body just a college wrestling athlete….so seriously dont make comments until you know the facts my friend….the reason why i admire lesnar is we both come from a wrestling background and he is so talented and has the abilities to become a legend in this sport and the MMA world has never seen the likes of him before either…hell Chuck Liddel, Forrest Griffin, Frank Mir, NOG…GSP…MAtt Hughes etc…they have all said in interviews that they are heavily impressed with Lesnar. Good for you that your good friend with Mr. Hughes..LOL that is awesome. Dude seriously dont make this personal i am merly stating facts and opinions and wether you choose to agree or not that is fine…i understand that no one is saying lesnar isnt good etc…i not argueing that i am arguining that you all think Randy is going to come in and work lesnar like he is a baby and win…..use his game plan his master game plans witch are simply the clinch game….news flash i dont think Randy will be able to control the 280lbs muscle freak…he is way to explosive and strong and powerful for him…not to mention he cant take a punch from lesnar and still be standing….like all the others if lesnar gets a good shot to the face randy is going down…not out maybe but down..the only way Randy can win and he very well could is by Sub or Decision…Rnady has my respect but i think he is overmatched too much in this fight to control his opponent.
Is it not like apples and oranges comparing their wrestling since they competed at different styles. I know Randy wrestled in college but his Olympic back round is in Greco-Roman. Has Brock ever competed in Greco? I know he is the more physical of the two but since Randy has competed at the top level in two different variations of the sport shouldn't that help him a bit more.
No the base of wrestling is the same where Greco is all about slams…the physical dominacne of lesnar in his College days and his pure athletic ability and overall strenght and power and speed overmatch Randy's wrestling any day of the week..a 280lb man again a 225lb old man its doesnt work that way and i dont see Randy picking up the 280lb lesnar and slamming him i see the other way around..Randy has to expend more energy just to work at any level with lesnar simply because of the 50 plus pound weight advantage and overall ability of strength and speed lesnar holds. Randy may know where Lesnar is coming from but the problem is Randy can not match the overal abilities lesnar has as he not nearly as quick as in reflexes or wrestling, not nearly as strong, powerful…Randy is purely overmatched except for Experience and Subs…Randy is a legend and i am sure he will be ready but i dont hink he can stop lesnar.
Never made a statement, I asked a question. Fuck it. I'm done. Good luck to both of them. I'm sure it's going to be entertaining either way. This is one of the most repetative arguments I have ever been a part of.
FYI – I NEVER called Randy an Olympian.
Agreed Ryan and Nichole it sure sounds like you called him an olympian right from your direct statement "He’s college/"olympic career" ended in like 96 – not that long ago." You may have not said the work olmpian but it sure makes it seem that way from that statement….I am done this is stupidiest argurment…we are going to have to wait and see both fighter have pros and cons…
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