UFC 97: Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 Possible in April

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UFC President Dana White mentioned to FightersOnly magazine, that the highly anticipated UFC heavyweight unification bout between Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir could happen as early as April, possibly at UFC 97.

“Mir took little damage in his fight with Nog, and Lesnar wants to fight him soon, so April may be the time and place for that. It will be good,”

White also called the series of heavyweight fights a “Tournament”. The UFC heavyweight belt was broken up after Randy Coutures left the UFC only to return and lose his belt to Brock Lesnar at UFC 91.

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  1. ok… lesnar come on mtf kill lesnar please and make me happy :D

  2. Based upon how their last fights were both men have improved significantly more so Lesnar i would say but than again he is always improving. Mir looked great in his last fight but i still dont think he can stand with Lesnar and exchange blows for long before he goes down and Lesnar will be more knowledgable and respectfull of Mirs sub skills to let that happen knowingly again but that could happen. Lesnar is still the Fav is this fight due to his overall size, speed, strenght, conditioning and his ability to adapt quickly. We all know Mir is Famous for his lack of Conditioning nad staying focused. I hope that Lesnar winning the title doesnt go to his head per say and loses even a tad bit of focus during training camp but i dont think so as he still acknowledges he is new to the sport and is learning everyday. Mir is the one in trouble in this fight as he cant stop the takedown and couldnt stand with lesnar wether he tripped or got punched he still went down easily but it seems Mir has work on his standup so that will be interesting to see and although Subs are in Mir's favor Lesnar is explosive with G&P and i dont see Lesnar making the same mistake in the first fight…i just hope Mazzegati isnt the ref again…that ref sucks but i have to admit he is getting better.

  3. Correction Mir's lack of conditioning and lack of focus.

  4. lesnar should win this one, i still am not sure about mir yeah he beat nog and that shocked even though nog was sick i still could beleave how he beat him.but even with that win i think lesnar will be to much for him.i agree tim i hope lesnar has not lost any focus or drive because that probally the only thing that could keep him from going real far in this sport.

  5. I dont think all u brock fans are gonna like the ending of this fight. Lesnar tapping again. Lesnar could train for 10 yrs and still not be close to as good as ir on the ground and still would get sub'd. Mir was much more impressive in his last fight then Lesnar was in his. So I am going with Mir again. I think Mir will expose how slow and bad Lesnar is on the feet then lesnar will bull rush him get the takedown and get sub'd again.

  6. i hope thats true steve but i don't see it going that way, lesnar stood with randy who is a better boxer than mir and took his punch and ended the fight with his.i could see mir pulling out a sub but i am sure thats all lesnar needs to look for from mir if he can avoid that he will win this fight easy even.

  7. Shogun of Harlem says:

    I would like to see Mir win but I am leaning towards Lesner. Lesner is very agressive and i dont see him falling into the same mistakes that he made in the last fight. I just dont think Mir can handle Lesners pure size and natural aggression. Also Lesner has a very very very good wrestling background. That said with years of experience and more training, Lesner will be a force to be wreckened with.

  8. In regards to it taking Lesnar 10 years to become as good at Subs as Mir will…well i assume you dont know but Brock has put a heavy emphasis on BJJ and even brought in Seven-time BJJ world champion and renown Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros during his training camp at UFC 87, and everyone there considers brock to be equivalent to a purple belt in BJJ now. While that is not the caliber as Mir is it still means something coming from a BJJ legend and multiple time champ dont you think? And just like you saying it would take 10 years for Brock to be at the BJJ level as Mir is, it would take 0ver 20 years for Mir to be as good as a wrestler as Brock. Now on how slow you say Lesnar is on his feet….Come on the man wieghs 280lbs and is extremely agile and fast for a man that posses his overall Size and strength…the man took Mir apart in their first fight wether you choose to agree or not byt for the first 80 seconds of that fight Lesnar dominated Mir with Jabs and takedowns and G&P and if it wasnt for the Ref this could be Mir's Revenge oppurtunity…I will say it again what makes Brock very dangerous isnt his overall Skills as those are to new its his overall ability to dominate you with his Size, Speed, Strenght, wrestling, takedowns, Heavy/Large Hands and most importantly conditioning…never has the MMA world seen a HWGHT fighter like this that weighs 280lbs and moves like a lightweight and thats not just my opinion thats most of the MMA analysts as well that write articles. While Lesnar is far from invicible…he may very well hold onto his title for the rest of this year and beyond the man just better with each fight and that is mightly scarry for a man with his natural abilities.

  9. Overall this should be a great fight and i hope that both fighters bring their best into the fight. Cant wait. And on another note there is not shame in tapping to a sub but there is shame in being KTFO in my opinion as i would rather say as an example…i lost by Sub 3 times to being KO 3 times.

  10. i would love to see Mir take him out with another ankle lock wouldn't that be cool /….lol now that would be funny

  11. LOL in all due respect that would be funny if that happened again…but due to the new experience factor that Brock has gained he is much more calm and collected now than when he was his first fight and remember now matter what you say Mir won that that by a rookie mistake and Lesnar showed nothing but pure and utter dominance on Mir…so nuless something drastically has changed on Mir's part either he gained super wrestling abilities to counter Lesnar or he has gained KO power i dont see Mir winning this fight..its just not in his favor and the only way he will win is by Submission which could happen but i have two thoughts at this time about the ending of this fight…Lesnar wins via G&P Round 2…or Lesnar wins via RNC in round 3…most likley by G&P but wouldnt it be funny and great if Lesnar Won by Knee Bar…now that would be histarical although i would like to see some Submission offense skills from Lesnar by the end of this year…by i understand this is a mental game and i am sure he will have a great game plan to try and keep the fight standing and either KO Mir or take him down as in firt fight and G&P for the win.

  12. Brock doesn't need to be a submission expert. Just needs basic subs and more importantly sub defense as this is the way most fighters are going to try to beat him. He can learn from Fedor's style. Fedor has very heavy hands but not a lot of ko's. when he hurts an opponent he looks for a sub. When a fighter is hurt almost any quality fighter can get a choke or an armbar sunk in. I think both subs and KO's are equally devasting finishes. Brock's bjj will look great if he rocks someone and finishes with a choke instead of gnp. If he figures this out he will be very hard to beat.

  13. dane drebin says:

    did u guys hear that brock is going to go train at xtreme couture? watch out mir brocks gunna be way better than last time.

  14. I agree…..and i am sure Brock has figured this out and is training on both aspects of Submission Offense and Defense. If Fedor is nothing short of a Legend in MMA he is surely a role model fight wise that is to look up to…Yes i said it folks….Brocks only had 4 fights….still very new to the sport and only 2 1/2 years now of training maybe 3…i am sure everything will come together as one for him down the road but in the meantime he is focusing on what he is good at and using that to his advantage and if a Sub happens to be there he will try for it…Heck he did try for one against Heath but he wouldnt let him have it..that goes to show you how tough Heath is. I love the G&P from Lesnar and the KO's but i would like to see him Submit fighters as well…it doesnt have to happen now but as fedor24 said Brock’s bjj will look great if he rocks someone and finishes with a choke instead of gnp. If he figures this out he will be very hard to beat. A fighter with the Raw skills and Natural ablities combined with Size, Speed, Strenght, Conditioning, Wrestling and basic boxing and some Submission offense and Defense and being able to utlize it fluently during fights will be one hell of a fighter and a tough SOB to beat…just image Lesnar with all that and being very very comfortable at any time during a fight accomplishing any one of those. That is basically a Much Bigger Version of Fedor.

  15. Dan Drebin are you serious?

  16. I heard nothing of that…your screwing with us or me on that one.

  17. Shogun of Harlem says:

    If Lesner beats Mir which i am more than 90% sure he will. I think Lesner is going to keep that title belt for a long long while. If he beat, Nog., Randy C. and then beats Mir who else is there really in the heavy weight division for him to battle with. I really dont see him having in problems with Gonzaga either.

  18. the only ones would be gonzaga,carwin,and the other big wrestler can't think of his name.i think gonzaga would have a good chance bjj black belt with alot of power in his striking not that he would win but i think those are the only three that would be capable of doing it.

  19. dane drebin says:

    go to sherdog.com its the main page do u never visit there it always has the latest news

  20. Good point Tim. Lesnar could be developing into a 280lb Fedor. That's scary. The hvwt division of the UFC is a little thin now. Brock could clean it out in a year or two but there are always new fighters coming and going so the landscape could change real quick. Brock can only beat the guys he has available to fight in the UFC. Just like Fedor can only fight the guys available who are not in the UFC. Gonzaga and Mir are the only 2 guys who can compete with Brock in the UFC. Kinda like Fedor, what happens after the next 2 fights(if they win)?

  21. i agree tim…but i gave him the same chances in the first fight .im supprised he took those sledge hammwers from him in.the first fight when he was on top ….i am a Mir fan… but …im like a pride fan as long as he puts in a good effort and doesnt suck too bad …im still good with him,,,win or lose

  22. If Lesnar is working on BJJ, I think that is not good for Mir at all. Mir has a lot of experience and time training over Lesnar, but I am pretty positive that Lesnar can pick up on fight training pretty fast. If his defense is good, Mir might not be able to bring it to the ground to his advantage, and Lesnar could get the knockout. It would be some shit if he subs Mir. I don't think Mir is going to take this fight lightly though and I hope he will fight like a hungry contender should. Either way, I'm excited and it will be good.

  23. Thanks Everyone, Mir as we all know is one cocky SOB wether he takes this fight lightly or not isnt the question. Its wether he can find a way around the freak of nature lesnar..first time around Lesnar beat himself but he was a real rookie then now with some cage time under his belt and some more training i do not think Mir stands a great deal of a chance against him…but Mir shocked us all in his last fight although i was hoping he would win to set us a revenge match. i heard that NOG had the flu like 3 days prior to the fight but due to him being such a hard ass he didnt back out which would explain why he wasnt up to par that night but either way the better man won that night. I see Lesnar's problems as Velazquez, Carwin, Gonzaga and maybe even Kongo…remember on any night a fighter can lose…every fight is tough win or lose especially for a man in his 5th MMA fight ever and going forward its constantly a learning experience and its not like Lesnar took the get your feet wet route either…he went strait in and stood head to head to some great fighters in his 3 UFC fights. Win or lose is the same for me as long as Lesnar puts on a good show and fights i am happy as i know as long as he keeps training and developing he can go a long way in this sport. I know about Sherdog i just havent been on it lately… Thanks fedor 24 i knew you would love the statement of Lesnar turning into a 280lb Fedor ,2009 should be a great year for MMA…i hope both Mir and Lesnar bring their A game i want to see a war with the best man winning.

  24. i think mir needs to try to get lesnar to the ground and work from in his guard. no matter where lesnar trains at i'm sure mirs experience will let him pass lesnars guard and work to a dominant position to pound or better yet go for a submission.

    other than that i see lesnar dominating the feet, clinch, and being on top in the ground game.

  25. No shit Lesnar made an attempt to contact Randy about Training for ahwile at Xtreme Couture…that would be a smart move…and props to Couture for giving the nod and the welcome for him…if that does happen i could see this being the start of a great friendship…lol…

    Key thing can Mir take Lesnar down before Lesnar takes Mir down…i dont think so but we will have to wait and see..we all know both mens abilities and lack of per say…should be a great fight….April cant come soon enough.

  26. you cant even think this fight will be the same fight…you cant even compare them 2 because Mir is looking good AND A LOT BETTER same to brock but idk i see a sub win but who knows brock might keep it standing

  27. i think this should be a great fight, ALOT of emotion for both these guys. Mir wants to prove it wasnt a fluke and Lesnar wants to prove that it was. I think Lesnar has become a more patient rounded fighter and seems to be improving daily especially if hes training with Randy. Mir looked really good in his fight against nog but nog also looked really bad so I am not usre what to make of it, I say lesnar tko early third round.

  28. Well first off Lesnar is too powerfull for Mir to get an upper body submission as we all saw what occurred when he tried 2 arm bar attempts…Lesnar brok out of them and theoreticlly torn Mir's arms off in the process…Again the only way Mir will win is if Lesnar beats himself and again makes a rookie mistake. But never say never….as i have learned in MMA.

  29. Nate Fury says:

    The sooner the better for this fight to happen. I don't think Lesnar will make the same mistake twice with Mir. Also, I would like to see Randy Couture fight Nog on this card as well. Would make for a huge card.

  30. Yeah i would love to see Randy vs Nog and if Lesnar ends up training at Extreme Couture you better bet that both of these men will become a better fighter by camp end.

  31. Shogun of Harlem says:

    Dana white needs to get more heavyweights in the UFC. The heavyweight division is not a exciting as the other divisions.

  32. Dude the HWHGT Division is stacked full of HWGHTs but the question is the quality of them, the UFC has more HWGHTS than Affliction given that they have more top notch HWGHTS…the UFC has alot younger ones and these could turn out to be the future of the sport.

    Al Turk Mostapha 6-3-0 6' 2" (188 cm) 242 (110 kg)

    Barry Pat 3-0-0 5' 11" (180 cm) 235 (107 kg)

    Carwin Shane 10-0-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 265 (120 kg)

    Couture Randy 16-7-0 6' 2" (188 cm) 220 (100 kg)

    Dos Santos Junior 7-1-0 6' 4" (193 cm) 238 (108 kg)

    Eilers Justin 9-5-1 6' 1" (185 cm) 235 (107 kg)

    Frazier Zane 0-2-0 6' 6" (198 cm) 230 (104 kg)

    Gonzaga Gabriel 10-3-0 6' 1" (185 cm) 242 (110 kg)

    Gordeau Gerard 2-1-0 6' 5" (196 cm) 215 (98 kg)

    Hardonk Antoni 7-4-0 6' 4" (193 cm) 245 (111 kg)

    Herring Heath 28-14-0 6' 4" (193 cm) 250 (113 kg)

    Kongo Cheick 22-4-1 6' 4" (193 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Lesnar Brock 3-1-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 265 (120 kg)

    McCully Justin 9-4-2 6' 2" (188 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Mir Frank 11-3-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Nogueira Antonio Rodrigo 31-4-1 6' 3" (191 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    O'Brien Jake 10-2-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 230 (104 kg)

    Severn Dan 70-13-7 6' 2" (188 cm) 250 (113 kg)

    Smith Patrick 4-2-0 6' 2" (188 cm) 225 (102 kg)

    Stojnic Denis n/a 265 (120 kg)

    Struve Stefan n/a 265 (120 kg)

    Velasquez Cain 4-0-0 6' 1" (185 cm) 240 (109 kg)

    Wellisch Christian 9-3-0 6' 3" (191 cm) 237 (108 kg)

    Wessel Mike 8-1-0 6' 0" (183 cm) 260 (118 kg)

  33. Oh and info from UFC.com

  34. But i have to agree its not as exciting as the other divisions

  35. Dude, Tim, Justin Eilers passed away. Anyway though, I think I agree with you Tim. IF Lesnar is working with Randy, he could become even more of a beast on the ground, and on his feet. Even if he is not working with Randy, you know he is still improving his BJJ. The more I think about it, I may be starting to lean for this fight. My impression of Mir changed a lot after the last season of TUF. Like I said though, neither fighter should take the other lightly because I still do think this fight could go both ways. If Mir can stay away from Brock's Hammers and elbows, I think he can get the sub. If Lesnar can keep it on the feet for a while, I could see him wearing Mir down or even getting the knockout. I don't see Mir's improved boxing hurting Lesnar too much.

  36. Sorry i copied that strait off of the UFC website…i guess they havent noticed either…and thats sad.

    I agree neither fighter should take this lightly and i dont think Lesnar is…Mir on the other hand…well lets just say he has always been cocky and based upon the fact he beat him before he may very well be mentally unprepared for this fight…but i hope its turns into a war…but honestly its probably going to be a KO or TKO in round 1 or 2 in lesnars favor that is but anything can happen.

  37. i am sure they have plenty of hw's but alot of guys on that list don't fight with the ufc anymore.

  38. Really…then they need to update their website…there slacking on that…

  39. yeah, they have dan severn on there on they cut wellisch not to long ago and some of the names i don't think i have ever seen fight

  40. I noticed that when i was reading through them…most of them i never heard of before…i didnt notice Wellisch was gone…well Dan Severn damn i havent seen him fight in years…why the hell is he still on the list. Oh well…

  41. I dont understand why people thin MIR can't stand with lesnar. Randy did it (albeit to no avail) for almost 2 rounds and just got caught. Mir is bigger than Randy and has superir standing and ground work. Mir has a great chance of winning this fight, There is no reason why he shoud be the underdog.

  42. Tom I agree.

  43. i would say mir is bigger than randy but not near as good of a boxer, mir could win this fight but i dout that it would be from standing with lesnar, mir looked good throwing those 3 punch combos over and over but nog had no movement and got rocked right away and was no threat punching back at the time so it was easy for mir to continue to throw them.

  44. Mir definately doesn't have the boxing skills in my opinion and I think it will be hard to drop Lesnar with that thick ass neck. Those neck muscles are going to help him keep his head stable, so those chin shots aren't going to be as effective. Thats what I based that off of. I still think Mir can sub. him. Not to mention, Roy, but didn't you say Nog was getting over the flu? Someone said that. It's hard to say that Mir looked much better in that fight after learning something like that

  45. dane drebin says:

    ya i dont know where u guys are getting mir is a better boxer than randy from please explain. yes his striking was looking crisp in the nog fight but when else ahs it looked good exept for that one knockout over a nobody. 1 good performance doesnt erase all the other times his standup has looked bad. randy is consistent and is always good on the feet.

  46. nog was not getting over the flu he had a very bad staph infection and could not train he was out of shape fat and looked slow, i don't know if he fought for the fans our he bought into the fact that not many peole gave mir a chance maybe both, he never let this out and gave mir his props and nog is a class act, dana had to come out and say it nog never told anyone.

  47. heres from the article

    UFC President Dana White recently revealed that Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira had recently recovered from a staff infection heading into his TKO loss to Frank Mir last Saturday.

    To Nogueira's credit, the fighter didn't mention any of this to fans or media during post fight interviews.

    “Nogueira had some other problems too[...]," White told The Carmichael Dave Show.

  48. I was one that said that but only after someone else wrote it as well…i thought he looked it bit out of it at times and not really in the fight per say if you know what i mean i know he is a cautious fighter but man he look bad. Give Mir credit though he earned the victory wether Nog was feeling good or not but Mir's boxing hasnt gotten better just because of one fight or training camp…remember Mir is notorious for being cocky at times and not being conditioned…one thing is for sure Lesnar can out condition him in more areas than one, Lesnar has a reach advantage where Heath found out very quickly about and Randy said Lesnar is very tough to deal with as to not so much his size but combine that with strength and his speed and reach and the guy can throw a punch and you think you dodge it but it ends up hitting you on the side of your head anyways…its hard to get away from someone with reach. If Lesnar truly trains at Extreme for a bit…damn watch out UFC and Mir….I honestly do not think Mir can stand with Lesnar and exchange punches for long…Randy was much quicker and he had his wrestling behind him to counter some of Lesnars abilities…Mir has none of that…while anything can happen i see Lesnar getting his revenge. I just hope both fighters bring their A game into this fight…i wouldnt mind seeing a war for 5 rounds….but realisticly this fight will End by the 2nd round…it would be funny if Lesnar finished it with a Sub better yet a knee lock….while its unlikely it could happen…i am hoping for a Sub victory from Lesnar.

  49. I knew in Lesnar v Mir I that Mir would win. But after the fight started, Frank didn't have a chance until the ref screwed Brock over. He might as well have been a practice dummy. Frank might be cocky, but he knows what Brock is capable of and that he has been training. Assuming Mazagatti (sp?) isn't the ref again, this should be a good fight.

  50. Chris Tinney says:

    wow pat. i forgot that the point taken away had ne effect on a submission. he tapped him and he"ll do it agian. learn the sport bro.

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