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UFC 87: Lesnar vs. Coleman
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August 9, 2008 |
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Target Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota |
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March 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
they are not cutting lesnar any slack i thought they were guna just throw him up against nobodys for his first few fights but former champion frank mir now the godfather of ground and pound mark coleman maybe they are trying to prove a point that just because you look good on tv and you can wrestle in the wwe doesnt mean your cut out for the ufc
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 pm
After witnessing the outpouring of love for Mark coleman at UFC 82, i am happy to hear he is back and fighting Lesner. I agree wit Colin, I also thought Lesner would be on an easy road, ala Rampage, but am glad to see that the UFC has become a “Prove It” league where your name doesn’t get you free passes anymore.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
its sounds like there trying to give him an easy road to me mir seemed like shit recently so they thought it would be an easy fight even though i knew it was a bad match up because of his bjj skills and now coleman who has not looked good in years he is old and even at his best was not a great striker or submission guy witch is what lesnar needs to stay away from and after all that lesnar may still lose to this guy, and josh rampage had a pretty hard road after his first fight it was chuck than dan it could not have been any harder.
March 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Lesnar is young but not inexperienced when it comes to the basics of fighting, think about it in his second fight he put on a hell of a show and beat the hell out of a former UFC champion, given he did not win as he lossed by submission by a rookie mistake he still showed extreme potential in a sport where wrestlers have always proven themselves to be top notch fighters. Give time and more all around trainging Lesnar will be the next big thing. i dont see this fight going any longer than 2 minutes in the first round, i see Lesnar taking it to coleman from the get go, strikeing and working for the take down and just unleashing in half guard on coleman and im predicting that coleman wil either be ko’d or he will submit via punches. Case closed.
March 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
let kimbo slice fight brocl lesnar and i guanatee brock kicks his ass
March 8th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Josh what do u mean rampage has had it easy…? In the UFC he has fought Lidell, Marvin Eastmen, nad Hendo…I don’t see how u could say they have been giving him easy opponents…In fact it’s the exact opposite, ur just an idiot.
March 11th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
i agree josh is an idiot and i agree with brian that this kimbo hype is a little out of control
March 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Rampage’s tune up fight was Beatman Eastman which I don’t think was even close to as easy as Crocop had with Eddie Sanchez who just ran away. I don’t like this matchup at all and I think it favors Brock. I really thought that Coleman showed a ton of heart against Fedor and that should have been his farewell fight.
March 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am
I AGREE WITH YOU ROY I BELIEVE LESNARS FIRST FIGHT AGAINST MIR WASNT A GIVEN BUT MIR DID LOOK LIKE CRAP HIS LAST COUPLE FIGHTS AND MARK COLEMAN HAS BEEN OUT SINCE WHAT 99 HES OLD AND AGAIN NOT A GIVEN BUT I HOPE LESNAR GET A WIN AND AS OF RAMPAGE AGAIN I AGREE AFTER HIS UFC DEBUT AGAINST EASTMAN HE FOUGHT ICEMAN AND THEN HENDO AND NOW HE GOT HIS HANDS FULL WITH FORREST GRIFFIN WHICH I BELIEVE GRIFFIN WILL WIN VIA REAR NAKED CHOKE IN THE FOURTH ROUND
March 12th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Lesnar is fun to watch and I will take that over watching Tim (the Slothiac) sliva walk around and try not to wrinkle his knee brace. The heavyweight division needs something and hopefully someday it is Fedor so we can watch him get his ass kicked. I am soooooooooooo tired of hearing about this guy he hasnt won a meaningful fight in like 3 years.
March 20th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
whoever thinks that brock lesnar is getting an easy road right now is stupid…he’s only had 2 fights and only one of them was in a cage…frank mir is a former champion and just by saying that he is no joke…mark coleman is an olympic wrestler and as everyone knows the godfather of ground and pound…it is going to be a very hard-hitting fight and it’s hard to say who is going to win…i agree that rampage got an easy road to start but has definitely proven himself since
March 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
hmm? brock va the hammer coleman luv that guy i saw him a few times in a couple of prife fights he still looks good as always…i hope he whoops brocks ass …it will be interesting to watch im looking forward to it
March 20th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
i agree with u erik mark coleman was the first ufc heavyweight champion he is no push over but i think brock will win this one
March 20th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Exactly what I’m thinking guys. Plus, Brock will have about 5 months of training by then so he should look much improved. For a guy that competitive to be coming off a loss, its kind of scary to think how he’s going to look against Coleman.
March 23rd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Well I love to watch lesnar, a physical freak, but I refuse to put someone out of a fight due to age, ask tim slyvia about that. Its should be a good one.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
steve ur absolutly right….and i think the the ufc is giving lesnar ppl who he could beat but could loose to so its kinda 50-50
March 26th, 2008 at 8:15 am
BROCK has a better chance in this fight than the last one against MIR. FRANK MIR motorcycle crash or not is know for submitting BIGGER STRONGER opponents like TANK ABBOTT and TIM SYLVIA. In MMA jujitsu fighters have historically had the edge over YOUNG wrestlers turned fighters. BJ PENN vs. MATT HUGHES 1 before hughes had ben training bjj for years. Same thing happened to BROCK he dominated MIR then left out his leg easy pickins now he has MARK COLEMAN who has beaten just about everybody who cares how old he is. This is another TRAP fight for LESNER even though it looks like the favorite based on physicality alone. But when it comes to skill and experience LESNAR is the underdog but I think he should win.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:41 am
coleman was great i have alot of respect for him but he is old and is not randy he has not looked good in years and they made this match thinking lesnar will win, they don’t want lesnar to keep losing and lose some of his markectability.its the perfect match up for him a wrestler whos not a great striker or submission guy.i think coleman has fought the best out there and has the experience so he does have a chance but lesnars age and stregnth should be enough to win it.
March 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Lesnar SHOULD win, But he also SHOULD’VE beaten Mir, He had him in a ground and pound assault then postured up and gave ‘ol Franko his leg wrapped up with a thank you note. The person who makes the least mistakes will win this fight (yes mistakes are what wins and loses fights anyway by whatever do you mean ric?) What I mean is theres gonna be alot of Ring Rust and Amature mistakes we’ll see how far this one goes before somebody just leaves their chin out there or somethin.
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 am
Frank Mir will be the Heavyweight champion again…if memory serves me right he didnt lose to anyone he got into a motorcycle accident…he is a very very fast heavyweight and his jiujitsu is phoenominal…Nogiuera is a tough guy and everything but i dont see him fairing out too much against Mir if this fight comes about anytime in the near future
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 am
erik your right he has great bjj but thats it, he has beaten no one other than tim and a inexperienced lesnar, in his other matches before the accident he had trouble beating med level fighters.i think he does match up well with nog enough to give him a good fight but not win and if you put him in there with other top h.w’s he will get destroyed.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
NOBODY I REPEAT NOBODY is gonna keep Brock Lesnar on their back. Mark Coleman the godfather of ground and pound but I very seriously doubt that he’s gonna sit on top of Brock Lesnar and pound him out. Brock Lesnar doenst have bad stand up, he droppped Mir in a hurry. I see brock lesnar taking this fight he takes it where he wants it.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
**Nobody is gonna keep Brock Lesnar on his back.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
mark coleman has a pretty good chin. he is also more muscular than frank mir. i think coleman is good test for brock in really assessing where brock’s wresting is at. plus, coleman is super experienced; he has fought fedor twice, not to mention been in many pride wars. i wanted to see brock vs. tim silvia, but i guess that wont happen anymore.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
roy, that’s what makes good fighters — people that really fight it out with their opponents, but still pull it off. mir is one of those peeps.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
he seems like a good guy i just think he is a great fighter and would lose to any top h.w. if he proves me wrong than great.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
not a great fighter i meant
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I agree that if you don’t think Mir is a good fighter because he is lazy then I can back that for sure. But I think his skill level is up there with the top heavyweights. If he can keep the muscle and continue to work hard and train conditioning I can see Mir getting a title shot in one or two fights.
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
all i am saying is he is not a great fighter, i think he will get a title shot just because the devision is thining out a bit.go look at his record he has not beaten anyone he had trouble beating mid level fighters vera killed him lesnar alomst did he is a good fighter and the 2nd best bjj h.w. there is i will give him that but he does not have enough to beat any top 5 heavy weight. if he fought vera again it would be the same thing a quick ending for him before the lesnar fight nobody was talking about him like he was a contender so after beating a rookie he is great now.
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
we will see soon, after mcully he won’t get any easy fights so i hope he proves me wrong cause he is a likable guy.
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I like hearing Mir commentate the WEC fights, he knows his shit. But I’m with Roy on this one. Mir seems like he has great knowledge of the sport but I don’t know if he is a great fighter.
April 4th, 2008 at 7:52 am
I think that if Brock Lesnar loses to Mark Coleman it will be because of his inexperience…Mark Coleman hasnt fought since October of 06 against Fedor but i think that he will still pull it out and get Lesnar to the ground and then choke him out…out of Coleman’s 15 wins he has 8 of them by submission
April 4th, 2008 at 9:50 am
good point erik i did not think about coleman as a submission guy, i still think lesnars youth and strength will be enough but if coleman did win it would not surprize me that much he has alot more experience and has fought the best.
April 5th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Josh seemed to forget that Rampage fought for years in Pride. Anyway, Lesnar kind of is getting an oopen invitation just because he was on tv. I remember back when you had to have EXPERIENCE to fight in the UFC, unless you went through TUF, in which case you technically did get experience. Lesnar had 1 mma fight. Lasted like 2 minutes. Otherwise, what made them think he was great enough to fight a former heavyweight champion and one of the 5 hall of famers? Lesnar should have to wait a few years before he gets chances like these. Meanwhile, there are other fighters that deserve to fight his fights.
April 7th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Coleman will get his ass kicked
April 8th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
i think lesnars strength will be a factor in this fight…not saying colemans not game but i think lesnars gonna be in control…im pulling for coleman tho…anybody heard anything on the huerta fight? i heard kenny florian saying he wanted to fight him after the lauzon fight
April 9th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Piss on the lesnar coleman fight…not good timing for new vs old school battle. I think it should be kimbo vs lesnar so lesnar can have the opportunty to show pure strength and everyone know how hard of a puncher kimbo is. In thus, lesnar may have an opportunity to show his new ground game which if he submits him all the hype will be lesnar can’t handle a puncher like kimbo which will lead to a grudge match between the two. So i csay lesnar vs. kimbo next fight if you want to see a hell of a match. Besides we all have seen what happens when old vs new (gracie/hughes…shamrock/franklin)
April 9th, 2008 at 11:05 am
but the problem is with both of those fighters….they are just all hype right now with no follow through…kimbo i guess has a little more credibility than lesnar since he won his fight but it was against an old ass tank abott…it sux that dana white cant get people like fedor or kimbo bcuz it would make the UFC that much more interesting to watch
April 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
WINGOTTI is right about the old vs. new stuff. This is old groungd and pound vs. young ground and puond this is one of those match ups where stregnth and quicknes is the deciding factor of the fight neither of the 2 have great standup or submission COLEMAN has experience but this is not a trap fight for BROCK like the last one was. He was put in a fight that was easy for him to lose exactly the way it happened. This is more of his kind of fight a olt easier this is an older guy with DIMINISHED skills. Who now seems to be the “GRANDFATHER of GROUND and POUND” this is BROCKS fight to lose. He should be fighting KIMBO
April 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
i watched an interview with dana white and he said he has no interest in signing kimbo…cuz of how sean gannon beat kimbo in a fight and then came to ufc and ended up hospitalized for 2 weeks…he said this and i quote “kimbo slice would get murdered in ufc”…honestly i would love to see dana sign kimbo…i wanna see what hes got…he hasnt fought anybody tough…two no names and a washed up tank abbott…i think heath herring and kimbo would be good…or arlovski and kimbo
April 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Even Kimbo isn’t saying that he can beat up everyone, its everyone else that is doing it for him. He says that he likes to get out there and bang and that he is working and becoming an all around fighter. Of course Dana is bashing Kimbo, thats the money maker for Elite. I think Lesnar and Kimbo have potential but we’ll see who can take that to the top of their division.
April 9th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
at least kimbo is working on it. he hasn’t really been tested yet becaue gary shaw pairs him up with weak chinned strikers. kimbo is starting to look like the houston alexander of UFC and hopefully, will enroll himself a good BJJ school soon, rather camp out under the wing of MilfHunter and his sidekick, Bas.
April 10th, 2008 at 9:05 am
MOREY and BRYAN right. DANA WHITE does BASH anyone who is competition of the UFC. KIMBO doesn’t have the corporate image that most UFC fighters have (college athletes, have regular day jobs, BLAH - BLAH) if KIMBO keeps winning by KO and eventually fights someone good like ANTONIO SILVA, (SILVA should have that main event fight against KIMBO on 5/31) DANA is gonna sign and make it seem like he was cheering for him since day 1.
April 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am
your right achilles…even though Dana has issues with Couture he still is 100% confident that Randy can in his words “destroy” Fedor
April 10th, 2008 at 9:35 am
I can see that Achilles. Somewhere down the line if Dana signs Kimbo he is going to praise him. I think Silva is too good on the ground for Kimbo right now so they are not going to take the chance. I wish there were playoffs in MMA but right now you just have to watch whatever makes sense to the organizations and their money. Eventually you will see Kimbo fight a top fighter.
April 13th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I think everyone is missing that lesnar was on his way to win that fight against Mir. He had him rocked and the ref stops the fight after one hit to the back of the head. I have never seen that. had the ref not stopped that we would be looking at brock bs one of the top dogs in the heavyweight division
April 13th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
lesnar is the next ufc all star
April 13th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
he definitely is a (not next) ufc star, but he won’t be HW champion anytime soon. big nog would own him. fedor, or even AA, would show lesnar that the MMA is not the same as entertainment wrestling.
April 15th, 2008 at 10:07 am
all the technique in the world can win you alot of fights, however, Lesnar is a physical freak, not exactly sure what the max weight is but i am fairly certain he flirts with it and there is NO ONE in the UFC or all of MMA that I can see being as strong or stronger than him. It is his strength alone that he can win fights on but it is also his strength that he can get himself into trouble with. Only time will tell if Lesnar is destined for greatness of not and at the rate some of these guys fight it may actually take years.
April 16th, 2008 at 7:21 am
i am so pleased that chuck liddell got kod by rampage and will be beat by rashard evans i allways felt he was given fighters to match his style ( horn couture ortiz 4 sure tito just about wet his pants 1st time they fought) whereas when he’s fought guys with equal or similar striking prowess has been beaten. it’s a true shame that shogun isen’t gonna fight liddell has he would of absolutly detroyed liddell and anyone if he was 100% which he wasen’t v forrest and anyone who says he was is stupid just check out his fights v anyone else rampage Nogueira overeem etc
April 16th, 2008 at 10:40 am
you guys have to look at the major factor o money too! think about it if every new arrival got put up against someone who would destroy them then how can they make more money with the loser’s future fights? they can always rise from the bottom. plus their ego gets shot (crocop) despite his experience the ufc just seems to be more of an ego buster. and dustin has a point lesnar was dominating his ass until he made a small mistake from not being educated enough on bjj and being in a new world. His metality was ground and pound. the coleman fight will be an aparent pattern of old vs new the ufc was bound to incorporate. i’m sure lesnar will win not knocking coleman. but if they want to keep it exciting and new and since kimbo is not signed my new theory should be kongo vs lesnar…this will make or break him to an extint
April 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
i was a hue wwe once but watching lesnar “dominate” as everyone seems to feel, don frye was once “dominated” by tank till he submitted him. so in closing does anyone honestly believe that tank is better than frye i think not and so anyone who says mir got “dominated” think about my don frye tank fact.
April 16th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
got dominated for 90 seconds, who cares the fact is he beat lesnar in 90 seconds.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
egsacly roy completely agree with u
April 17th, 2008 at 8:05 am
you guys are right the big picture in the situation is who got their hand raised at the end. we all have our favorites and preferences but you got to admit those lumps on mir’s head had to hurt…lol
April 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
is there anyone here who actually respects or even likes tim sylivia and or respects his ability?
April 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I respect his size and knowing how to use that to beat most HW’s. I don’t respect the way he fights but he looked better in his last fight. I don’t think his ability is even close to a fighter like Fedor so he better look to use his size in that fight.
April 17th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
frank mir would beat fedor for 2 simple reasons hes a better technical striker and he’s got heavy hands and is better on the ground wheather mir is the best hw i think yes but his skillset is ideal to beat fedor
April 17th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
i think mir is pretty well rounded. the old mir was a monster. crazy ass submissions with KO power also. so if he can get back to that and get his killer instinct back, i think he has a great chance at fedor.
April 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
2of my fav fighters (bj penn and mir) hav 1 simple flaw and that is stamina or their lack of effort in attaining it. if they were both in top condition they could both beat anyone in their weight classes especially penn, think bout the second hughes fight if penn had even half of matt hughes stamina he would of easily and yes i really mean and believe he would of EASILY of beaten hughes best fight out there is a now focused bj penn vs gsp both at 100% who do u feel would win?
(personally i think penn as hes better on the ground and equal on is feet)
April 18th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
That is a tough call. I think both GSP and BJ are freaks. I disagree that Penn is GSP’s equal on foot, but he is the vast superior when it comes to the ground. I am a huge fan of both guys, but I think it comes down to nominal stats. I have to pick GSP, simply for his height and reach advantage.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
i agree with you on b.j. but mir is not that good, great b.j. skills probally the 2nd best h.w. in the world at bjj before his accident but he was not a great strkier than and is not now.
April 18th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
i never though mir was a grt striker but what he does have is heavy hands.
anyone see matt serra’s press conference for ufc 83 when he was asked the type of reception he’ll get, said he’d be like tim sylvia in every city lol very funny guy but 2 bad he’s really gonna get smashed sat (unless psychologically gsp hasen’t recovered)
April 20th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Roger Huerta vs Kenny Florian
Winner fights Penn/Sherk winner. (September/October)
As much as I try to like Huerta and hisfighting ability, he has yet to impress me. I think Dana wants him to be to the UFC what Oscar De La Hoya is to boxing. However, Oscar always fights top guys (and performs well) whereas Huerta seems to fight a bunch of newbies or drifters.
Florian is easily the best fighter to watch on the ground. His elbows off his back are the best the UFC has seen. His fights are explosive and usually brutal. Highly underated fighted who improves with every fight. His only weakness being his strength. However it wont be needed against a guy like Huerta.
Florian wins by TKO at 3:30 of 1st Round
I believe that Penn will beat Sherk. Florian will own Huerta. Then KenFlo will oust Penn for the title.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Who else would like to see LESNAR fight Tim Sylvia? As much as I’d hate to see Sylvia get another chance in the UFC, I think people would pay to see Sylvia get worked by Lesnar after giving us years of the most painfully boring fights. I’d rather see Lesnar fight below a headlining fight. UFC is milking it a bit with Lesnar.
Penn will submit Sherk. Florian will own Huerta. The Prodigy will remain champ against Florian.
April 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
anyone who genuinely thinks florian will beat penn (and a now focused and in shape penn) has no idea what their talking about. (hollywood gat u and all the other fools out there who share such idiotic beliefs)
as for sylivia and lesnar sylivia is out of the ufc and is fighting fedor who i know absolutly nothing about other than reading his record which is good but not great as everyone seems to feel.
who’s he beat? he’s beat ufc old guys like coleman randleman and goodridge (if they were that good they’d of stayed in the states with the ufc) barnett is a good fighter but not top notch, mark hunt who’s really just a striker with an d- ground game cro cop and lindland ( cro cop has he’s proven in the ufc is very overrated even as a striker check out kongo vs cro cop and lindland is a middleweight possibly light heavy weight at best)
his only legit win for me is Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira who’s a top 5 heavyweight whos bjj is top class.
hate to say it but i think and hope (just cringed lol) but tim sylivia may knock him out
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:24 pm
i think that they are giving lesnar an easy road. coleman just got inducted into the hall of fame, and everybody knows that he is past his prime. i truely believe they are gonna feed lesnar a big name victory w/ this one. we are gonna see a re-enactment of hughes vs gracie with this one. they are just tryin to give lesnar a victory over a big name. after all, coleman was the first HW champ in the UFC, and hes now a hall of famer. dana’s plan didnt work with mir, so now hes gonna try to build him up with coleman instead. its all a scheme…
p.s.
i think penn is a better fighter and would win against kenflo, but i wouldnt be surprised if kenny pulled off an upset.
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
oh, and by the way…
i do hope coleman wins this fight, however UNlikely it may be…
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
and if this is gonna be the main event, idk if i’ll buy the PPV. they need a title fight or Florian vs Huerta (or both)to make this one marketable…
April 24th, 2008 at 12:35 am
huerta an florian has been the rumour 4 a while now, i think its a good fight for both guys 4 florian because huerta’s name isa more renown that his ability and 4 huerta as it’s another step up though no 155 pounder can beat bj
April 24th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
they should diego sanchez vs kos on the main card
April 24th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
i hope kos gets squashed like he did against gsp
April 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
dnt get me wrong. i mean brock lesnar is an animal. he just has to learn more techniques and he lacks experience. i mean he completely took control of the frank mir fight. it was just one mistake that cost him. i think his trainers need to teach him how to work the opponents guard. and watch out for the submissions. also u never know what coleman could do. he could be on top of lesnar most of the time. after all he is the god father of the ground and pound. if i was lesnar i’d watch some tapes and study my opponent. then practice my guard style in the octagon.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Roy you are an unbelievable moron..the are both top level opponants. Coleman is still a machine and mir is always fighting top level and winning.
He is getting put into huge fights, shows he has great character. Having said that ti would have been way smarter to feed him sum easy wins where the crowd could really see his power and build him a rep and fan base.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
mr man u are hopeless..if they were going to feed him easy wins as part of there “plan” they would have used bums on the same level as tank, kimbo etc ppl popular but easily beatable..not threats like mir and coleman
April 30th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I see this being the fight of the year, next to Huerta vs Guida. Kenflo has the experience and that may be a plus in his corner but not enough in my book to beat Huerta. Huerta is the next superstar in the 155 lbs div. after the fight we will all be saying “OMG! They killed kenny! You basterd!” lol.. Kenny will not finish this fight! Huerta by dec.
May 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
WINGOTTI made a good point tho’. Look at GSP’s 1st fight against HUGHES He wasn’t doing bad, he just made a mistake that a lot of young fighters make especially wrestlers who aren’t TOO good in JJ. He left out his arm and got tapped same thing HUGHES vs PENN 1 HUGHES tried to bull rush him to the ground BJ capitalized. Remeber FRANK MIR never lost the UFC HW belt he had an accident physically and mentally it takes a long time to come back from things like that and be able to perform at the level you were before it occurred. MIR his still PROBABLY the most dangerous and underated HW in the UFC. LESNAR was winning the fight up until he ade a rookie mistake that a lot of young WRESTLERS make. Eventually when he developes the skills to match his physical presence (or at least come close to it) he is gonna be a force. Look at HUGES and COULTURE similar styles not GREAT on their FEET not GREAT JUJITSU but enough to keep them a float while their ground and pound helped them dominate their divisions give BROCK time he will be a TOP HEAVYWEIGHT just not right now.
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
every1 who says it was a “rookie” mistake that cost lesnar and gsp (against hughes) are idiots who have no clue randy got knd by chuck in their second fight for being overly aggressive and in their thrid got poked in the eye was pissed and bull rushed chuck now you telling me that there a mma fighter with more experience than randy (dont say ken shamrock for god sake) and chuck v babalu 2nd fight babalu had dominated every1 he fought b4 chuck 2nd time even beating shogun(who is the best LH in the world) anyone who has actually seen him could tell he was injured and could not train properly thus his cardio was down. ask any LH in th worldwho they fear most n it sure aent o pot belly chuck nor rampage whom he destroyed nor wanderlai
May 5th, 2008 at 10:00 am
OK TOUGH GUY only a punk would talk smack on a forum where you would never see the person in the street to put them in their place so I am gonna ignore that part of you comment. In regards to COULTURE he was KO’d by chuck by believing he could stand CHUCK. SOBRAL was KO because he couldn’t take chucks punch or kick either time simple. Back to BROCK every one who watches and or fights MMA knows wrestlers who aren’t experienced in jujitsu defense or submission know that they are vulnerable to limb submission holds. If you watch the MIR fight they even talked about BROCK gettin his leg caught berfore it even happened. But he will redeem himself he is too competetive,
May 5th, 2008 at 10:00 am
james you must be the moron to think mir was facing top compition before his accident the only person he ever beat worth mentioning was sylvia everyone else he won sucks after the crash he got killed by m.cruz(is he still even in the ufc)killed by vera went to decision with christenson(he sucks) beat hardonk(pure striker) and beat a rookie.
May 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
james you say coleman is a machine, i say he is a legend and did alot in the sport but at this point come on, his last fight was on 10-21-06 a loss(to fedor so not to bad) before that 2-26-06 rua a middle weight and after that his last notable win was on 6-08-03 to don frye he has not fought that much in the last 8 years and when he fought the good people he lost.
May 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Exactly why Lesnar should win this fight, Coleman is no push over but Yes Lesnar has the edge all around while coleman has experience, this will be more of a take down ground and pound fight, it will be a match up of all time great wrestlers and the past and the future of MMA.I am a huge Lesnar fan and i will say that coleman has a chance of winning, if the same Refferee is there that is and if he can keep lesnar on his back, which i do not see happening, i just cant wait to see Brock break out and really show the world what type of fighter he can be and more. Lesnar is the MMA worlds Biggest fighter by all means physique, power, size athleticism hell the guy wears a XXX glove or XXXX glove, no one in the UFC currently wears that size and few in the sport has ever have. Lesnar is being put in with Legit Competion for a reason. Because of his past accomplishments, his athleticism and to see if he can really fight and to give him real fights for him to get better and better. Brock Lesnar is MMA.
May 5th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
TIM is right BROCK isn’t getting any “tune up fights” so to speak. He is’t even getting good “on paper” match ups. DANA WHITE wants BROCK to be a contender now to bring excitement back to the HW Division. That is whay someone with less than 5 pro fights is getting this kind of competition. Who else is fighting big name MMA fighters before they even get to 10 wins.
May 5th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Well said….and just to ADD who else could handle the top level competition that has been put in front of Lesnar….No one else could, you see Lesnar is used to performing in front of crowds of 30,000 plus, he has been in the spotlight since his early wrestling days. Sure he might of had a little bit of overwhelming feeling but shit the guy brought it to Mir and knocked him around like a rag doll, Mir’s experience won him over and Lesnar is being groomed for a future NOW…he is being tested NOW…win or lose Lesnar has shown great potential and hasnt really lossed dramaticly yet…meaning knocked out or beat up…sure he still has some stuff to prove even to me, a huge Lesnar fan…as i understand the MMA world and the skills involved to be in it. Lesnar has nothing in his way except a great future just as long as he trains like he did when he won the 2000 HWGHT NCAA DIV 1 championship. Lesnar has no boundaries and just imagine someone of his stature with, BJJ skills…SHIT that is one scarry dude…he just needs time. but Kimbo is a pushover….
May 6th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Lesnar would eat Kimbos Lunch
May 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
at this point i can see lesnar winning kimbo. but who knows where these fighters will be in a couple of years.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Well the bottom line is.. if Lesnar continues to get better and wiser in the octagon, nothing will stand in his way and he proved it with his dominance over MIR, sure he lost but he dominated MIR until he made a rookie mistake. Look for Lesnar to have somewhat of the same gameplan with Coleman, stand up and take him down and ground and pound. By the way in his last fight it kinda looked like Lesnar was afraid to go full out with his ground and pound, it almost looked like he was holding back some in his fight with MIR.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
“nothing will stand in his way ”
Lesnar has power… I’m thinking that you’re giving him too much credit. Don’t count your eggs before you hatch, learning the stuff he needs to learn takes a lot of time and serious dedication, if he can do it, great, good for him. Just don’t make predictions like that without the real evidence to back it up.
Kimbo would get dominated by Lesnar right now, that’s correct. Lesnar wouldn’t have much of a problem double legging Kimbo and pounding him out. We haven’t seen Kimbo off his back yet because EXC hasn’t given him any serious opponents, and I’m thinking he doesn’t have the ground game to stand against a serious wrestler or jits guy down there.
Also, what fight were you watching when you say Lesnar wasn’t going all out on the ground and pound on Mir? He was slamming away with hammer fists constantly and going berserk down there to the point that he was repeatedly hitting Mir in the back of the head, he wasn’t holding back. Mir has serious skills and utilized them, styles make fights.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
I agree. Lesnar was in it to win and gave it his all against Mir. If Mir was not skilled at BJJ, he would have been pounded out by the 2nd Round. There was no way he was going to take Lesnar down and Lesnar could take him down at will. Lesnar is going to beat Coleman. Coleman in his prime (minus the Pete Williams fight) was the best…but here we are 15 years later. He has to be about 45 years old. He is going to match his strength aginst Lesnars…which is the same, Ground and Pound. To beat Lesnar, you have to be stronger, a better wrestler, a better striker, or better at submissions. Coleman is nether. They are going to match strengths and the younger, stronger, more agressive fighter is going to win…Lesnar.
As far as Lesnar versus Kimbo, Lesnar would kill him. Elite XC is doind the right thing for their business by hand picking his fights. They got him a big name (not good fighter but big name) in Tank who was over the hill. Did anyone actully predict that Tank, who is something like 2 and 10 in the last few years, would win? If Kimbo hits you, you are in trouble. But if he was matched up with a good grappler, wrestler, or BJJ practitioner, he would be taken down and pounded or submitted. I know he is working hard with Bas, but his less than 2 years with Bas cannot compare with guys that have been wrestling, grappling, or practising BJJ for 10 or more years.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:20 am
i couldnt have said it better myself business man
agree with u on everything u said
May 7th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I agree as well but still disagree on some things. Lesnar is no normal up and coming fighter, he has the extreme background of being a national champion in wrestling, an ex NFL player etc.. he has the skills to learn fast, hell he didnt even play high school football or college and yet he made it on the NFL Vikings sqaud until he injured himself in a motorcycle accident and they cut him. Come on who the hell else could accomplish that without really any experience…give the man credit yes he has a long way to go but if there is anyone out there who can learn nad develope fast it Lesnar he has a history of just doing that and overcomming the odds against him. Lesnar is much more powerful than coleman was or is currently they guy used toss around 200lbs punching bags in the air, flip them around and catch them for wrestling practice. He is a beast and remember their are different types of strength just because you have big muscles doesnt mean your stronger than someone who is less big, they man possess athletic strenght and has fast twitch muscle fibers along with slow twitch i know this because i am a personal trainer and he runs a 40yard dask in under 5seconds he bench pressed i believe over400lbs at the nfl camp and had a 40 inch vertical leap and for a guy his size, the man is simply a freak of nature. The man possess all the skills to develope into a insane MMA fighter, its just a matter of time before we see the future of MMA at his best.
May 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Brock Lesnar will win but it’s not goin to be as easy as everyone thinks it is….yea brock is young, strong, and great at wrestling…Mark Coleman basically invented ground and pound and is an OLYMPIC WRESTLER
Im going to say Brock by tapout via strikes RD 1
May 7th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I agree to a certain extent, olympiac wrestlers at Colemans time were not the same as what they were today and Lesnar was training for the olympics when he got a shot to make 7figures with WWE and professional wrestling. I am not taking anything away from Coleman but seriously the competion back then was nothing to what it is today. Lesnar was way beyond olympic status in my eyes and many elses, the guy had a unbeleivable record at a Div 1 national championship school minnesota. i never put anyone out of a match and of course Lesnar is going to have to earn it but Yes lesnar is the clear favorite and i just hope it doesnt go to his head and gets over confident but i will be rooting for Lesnar.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Lesnar is the strongest man in MMA, and for his size, the quickest. If he can protect his feet, ankles, and knees, he will dominate like Mike Tyson did breaking into the Pro Boxing scene.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
BIZ and TIM made the best point in regards to this fight COLEMAN wouldn’t be so much of a long shot if this was 10 even 5 years earlier. But BROCK benches OVER 500 pounds and can squat nearly DOUBLE THAT and the leg drive is what fuels the take downs. His freakish size and atheletism for someone that big has never been seen in MMA before. But for BROCK to be a champion he has to learn BJJ and focus the majority of his training on that. I don’t see anyone out there who can 1 punch KO BROCK you can see how big his head is and is kneck is over 20 inches meaning he can absorb a punch. But if his submission defense does not drastically improve every fighter who has any kind of skill in submissions will have a blueprint on how to beat him try to just cover up and defend against the 1st barage and when he slips up by being too agressive grap hold of something. anyone can say that they will never tap out but they ususally only say that once. TIM SYLVIA did that against MIR got his arm snapped then against ANDRE he tapped almost instantly. If BROCK improves on his weaknesses these guy are right he will be the new face of MMA. Everything else is already in line for him.
May 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Thanks and Well said…Agree on everything.
May 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Brock Lesnar will smash Mark Coleman and prove he is making strides in his young mma career. Florian vs. Huerta will be a sick fight that will prove who is the next contender to the 155 title. Im pulling for Huerta in this one, he is the next big thing in the lightweight division. Nog will also be defending his heavyweight title on the card. I am thinking it will be against Arlovski. Would be a great fight, only with Nog keeping the title in the end. Should be a very interesting card none the less.
May 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Of Course… i will be watching in fact i might even go see it live, it depends on flight prices.