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UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin
Date: |
July 5, 2008 |
Venue: |
Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada |
Broadcast: |
Pay-Per-View |
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Main Card
Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin (UFC Light Heavyweight Title)
Gleison Tibau vs. Joe Stevenson
Patrick Cote vs. Ricardo Almeida
Chris Lytle vs. Josh Koscheck
Tyson Griffin vs. Marcus Aurelio
Preliminary Card
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Justin McCully
Corey Hill vs. Justin Buchholz
Cole Miller vs. Jorge Gurgel
Melvin Guillard vs. Dennis Siver
UFC 86 Links
UFC 86 Results
UFC 86 News
UFC 86 Weigh-In Results
UFC 86 Preview Part 1.
UFC 86 Preview Part 2.
UFC 86 Videos
UFC 86 Preview Trailer
Rampage Talks UFC 86
Forrest Griffin on ESPN Sportscenter
UFC 86 Weigh-In Video
Press Conference Video: Rampage and Forrest
Rampage Outside The Cage
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March 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
FORREST GRIFFIN WINS BY REAR NAKED CHOKE IN THE FOURTH ROUND GARUNTEE
March 13th, 2008 at 6:19 am
Someone just beat rampage I am so sick of hearing and seeing this guy. Forrest it a fun fight to watch and I would love to see him be champ and actually go out and put on a show for the fans.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Stevo how could u not like Rampage? He always loves putting on a show and when he doesn’t he’s fighting a good fight. I really like both fighters and dont really care who wins.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I agree they are both good fighters but Forrest set one hell of a precedense when we fought Bonner in the TUF final best fight I have ever seen, basing more of my statements off that havent really seen much from rampage in my opinion, “knocked out” Liddell, cmon that was pretty weak of a stoppage and I am not so sure that he deserved a decision against Hendo. Not saying he did not win, I just hate the way the UFC lets the judges decide a fight. More rounds, longer rounds whatever but we have been privy to several massive screw jobs by refs in the past few years. The way the judges score fights allow Tim the sloth Sylvia stay in the hunt to win fights cause he used to finish fights, now hes just trying to make it through them.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
i agree with steveo i dont like rampage either and yes that griffin bonnar fight was one of the best fights i have ever seen and i do think rounds should be longer because you cant leave it up to the judges any more like the bisping hammil fight, that kongo herring fight could have gone either way and if lidell beats evans wich i think he will i think he should get a title shot i would much rather see lidell griffin than another lidell rampage
March 16th, 2008 at 7:33 am
rampage victory TKO second round
March 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Rampage by TKO in 2nd. I love forrest but he doesn’t even have a puncher’s chance against rampage.
No, you rampage haters are gonna have to wait for shogun because ain’t no one else gonna take out page’.
March 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
The same Shogun that had a title shot, and all he had to do was beat, who was it again…… I can’t……. rememb… oh ya FORREST GRIFFIN. So until this guy shows me hes not just another one of Dana’s heres a title shot cuz you were great in pride and I am not gonna make you earn it ( RAMPAGE, SHOGUN, CRO COP ) he might as well be micheal bisping to me. I think its hilarious how people forget about someone getting beaten so quickly and put them right back into that unbeatable status again. Liddell gets fucked on a “knock out” by a ref and suddenly hes lost it, needs to retire, I am not even a Liddell fan but seriously guys lets think about this stuff before we start putting a fighter on the cross and making him holy. “PAGE” hasnt shown me much other than he pulled a silvia and just tried to not lose against hendersen, still not impressed, sorry.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:22 am
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March 25th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Griffin has not fought a true great stand-up guy, I like Forrest I do, But the power of Rampage is the difinitive advantage in this fight. The only way griffin will win is by decesion, which will not happen. I have Rampage in 3.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Ric, did you ever see the Bonner-Griffin fight which was one of the best fights in MMA history and they didnt exactly spend alot of time on the ground. I think if they stand forrest has a much better chance than he does if it goes to the ground.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I did see this “Bonner-Griffin” fight you speak of. Who hasnt. Bonner isnt a top tear striker as is Jackson who has fought top level people, its Griffins first real test which I see him failing at.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
By the way the Rua fight was a joke, Griffin bleeding doenst make it a good fight, he bleeds if washes his face too hard. Rua didnt offer anything to Griffin. It wasnt a good fight, Jackson is much improved since his pride days and even though he doenst like training doesnt mean he doesnt train. He’ll beat Forrest in a devastating fashion. Regardless its the hype for TUF anyway, its good for the sport so lets see it.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:02 am
The fight is gonna be a good one but Griffin’s willingness to trade is gonna get him caught on the chin then SLAMMED to the ground and then finished late in the 2nd round. Rampage has been facing better people his whole career and SHOGUN looked drunk before the fight w/ GRIFFIN even started. Sorry STEVEO but CHUCK went limp as a dead fish in that fight and was cleary out and if McCarthy didin’t stop it when he did chuck would have got really injured.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:35 am
i agree with you achilles rampage is better at every aspect of the game,forrest is tough and has heart but i don’t think it will be enough in this one.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I agree I like griffin cause he has heart but bonner was a nobody when they fought and still is griffin like said in these comments has really hasn’t fought anyone with serious punching power. the only credible fighter he fought was tito and he is done. quinton on the other hand has serious power and all out is just to big and strong. I agree with roy griffin doesn’t have power to knock rampage out and her for sure is not gonna out muscle on the ground. Like in boxing gotti put on a good show with mickey ward but when he stepped up to fight say mayweather he was embarassed doesn’t mean he ain’t a good fighter just in a diffent class
March 27th, 2008 at 5:48 am
Achillies, Chuck may have been out I acknowledge that, I just really dont like rampage, im more of a walk not talk guy and i am sick of hearing him run his mouth. But if anyone disagrees with me let me know, if two unknown guys are fighting they will let it go til one of them pretty much quits but if someone who they pay some money gets a scratch they stop the damn fight. I am also a fan of more rounds or longer rounds or something because we have been privy to several screw jobs in the past few years, sometimes you wonder what the hell the judges see that make them score the fight the way they do.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:17 am
STEVEO your right longer rounds may be more entertaining but guys will be retiring a lot earilier. I used to box and 3 minutes (without grappling) and 16 oz gloves can wear out any body. You look @ the 1st Griffin vs Bonner fight those guys only fought for 15 minutes and both of them was hospitalized for days after the fight was over. DANA WHITE has the best saying in regards to scoring. “Don’t leave it in the hands of the judges”. When chuck was in his prime (only like 2 years ago) and guys like ANDERSON SILVA now they are considered the best becaused the STOPPED everyone they fought. The best way to win is to KNOCK or TAP OUT the oppenent the judges can only go by what they think it sucks. But if you knock the guy out you don’t have to worry about that. Its simple not easy but simple
March 27th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Shit, then change the rule, a fight not stopped is a draw then, maybe that will light a fire under guys like sylvia. I dunno I just dont like the way it usually ends up working out, I dont understand how they score a round 10-9 is one guy gets domintaed how the hell does he still dewerve 9 points, this isnt boxing, its a whole different animal whihc is why they need a whole new scoring system or something. I just think its time for a change
April 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I think Steveo brings a great point, instead of scoring at the end of an undecided fight, make it a draw. It won’t compromise the fighters health of credibility, it just might light a fire so they have an initiative to knock their next opponent out.
Or maybe better even, why not guarantee the winner of a knock-out or tap-out decision a bonus for an exciting finale? That for me would be enough incentive to want brake an arm/leg or knock some ones head off, just some food for thought.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
i hate split decisions the most so how about if they made it so any fight ending in a split decision goes one more round.
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:15 am
thats not a bad idea, i would go for that
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
brougham, actually the UFC already has such bonuses in place. In the last UFC Anderson Silva and Dan Henderson each received $60,000 for fight of the night, Silva also received and additional $60,000 for submission of the night, and Chris Leben got a $60,000 bonus for knockout of the night.
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I think to make MMA better, get rid of Cecil Peoples and Steve Mazagatti.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
MOREY is funny but you can’t blame the refs and judges. MMA is made so you can have as many ways as possible to finish the fight. Let’s add a bonus round to a great 5 round fight the scores are 38-37, 38-37 and 37-38 for one guy you fight another round that was hard to score and it goes 9-10, 9-10, 10-9. What do you get? 3 judges who score the fight 47-47 a USELESS TIE. Judges scoring can be the biggest motivator in fighting. You can tell if your guy is losing probably not getting killed but losing on points then If the guy doesn’t want to be screwed he will go to try to finish the fight. MATT HUGHES was good at always trying to finish a fight and not just getting desicions even if it meant him getting STOPPED himself. If guys were trying to get KO’s or TAPS crap like this will never happened it is when fighters just try to wait ou the clock is when these things happen like TIM SYLVIA. It is a terrible fact when bad scores by judges coome out it is usuallay (not always) that 1 of the 2 fighters tried to milk the clock and just eak out a win.
April 5th, 2008 at 7:17 am
I really like Griffin and I’d rather see him win it, but I don’t think it will happen. Rampage has more impressive fights than what he did in UFC. Don’t forget he was a monster in Pride too. Griffin has matured a lot as a fighter though since that bonnar fight. I think he has the knowledge to do it, but Rampage has the knowledge AND strength. I also hope guillard and koscheck get laid out (Probably won’t happen to koscheck) and I hope Stevenson and Mir dominate.
*Also, have you heard Rampage talk on TUF? Oh my god, he sounds like he got the intelligence beaten out of him long ago.
April 5th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Wow this cards really shaping up
April 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
rampage cant talk worth a damn…its annoying…but he is a good fighter and i think forrest and him will be a good fight…i know most think rampage will win but forrest brings a good game plan to his fights so you cant count him out…does anybody know if hes still training with randy? randys always in his corner…that will be an advantage if so IMO
April 9th, 2008 at 9:41 am
RAMPAGE get’s paid to seel tickets and act like an IDIOT, He is good at it. I saw an interview when he was in JAPAN in PRIDE after a fight where he humped some AISIAN reporter’s leg the whole time. In the US he would BANNED and SUED. But is all in the name of MMA so it is all good. The problem w/ FORREST is he has good training, good skills, good coaching, good gameplanning,…then he gets hit in the face and forgets all about it. Against good strikers that also have great ground games that can’t happen. He crazy in there with Jardine then was clocked. That is what will happen against RAMPAGE.
April 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
it’s hard to say with quinton jackson…he’s always gonna bring a decent fight to the table but i think that he’s been hit by some of the hardest fists MMA has to offer so i dunno if it’s an act or not
April 9th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Well guys in the grand scheme of things I would say that it is fair to question the intelligence of anyone who makes a living do something that isnt a crim ejust because it is in the ring. Lets not forget that NATE DIAZ sounded lik ehe had down syndrome the other night, hes a fighter cuz he may actually be too stupid to do anything else. I think rampage just puts on a show and goes with it because some people (NOT ME!!!) think its ammusing. I think its sad that he has the chance to be the face of a sport essentially and he just gets on national television and makes most onlookers think, hey look these guys are big dumb men who just punch because they cant do fractions, SAD. If more people and fighters carried themselves like Andersen Sliva and Randy Couture the world would be a better place, the beautiful thing about winning is you can always tell someone who does it in life and someone who just gets lucky every now and then.
April 9th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Also, the first TUF episode was great, fighting your way onto the show is a super idea, I am with Dana I am tired of guys crying cuz a camera is in there face or they havent been home in two weeks, adds a great twist to the show plus you get to see what most of them have right up front.
April 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
true that if you sign up for the show and you make it on there you should be aware that there are going to be cameras in your face 24/7 especially for the UFC since it’s one of the fastest growing organizations ever…i like it bcuz it’s less talk and more fights
April 11th, 2008 at 11:43 am
rampage is going to kill griffin, griffin is one of my favorite fighters but rampage is way bigger and is going to knock him out late second round. he will not knock him out in the first because griffing is on tough guy
April 14th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Griffin by submission, thats how I see it. I know that he doesn’t have the strength to knock Rampage out but I think hes got skill and heart to do so.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Gonna be a true test for Griffin I could see him doing it somehow someway. Its almost rampages fight to lose I think hes that good now. I’ll be rooting for my TUF guy who was able to submit shogun go forrest go.
April 25th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Heres who I got:
Jackson Def. Griffin via TKO 1st RND
Lytle Def. Koschek via RNC 3rd RND
Cote Def. Almeida via Decesion
Guillard def. Siver via KO 1st RND
Stevenson Over Tibau via Armbar 2nd RND
Mir def McCully via heel hook 1st RND
Hill def Bucholtz via decesion
Aurelio def Griffin via omaplata 3rd RND (it could happen)
Saunders Def. Rollins via RNC 1st RND
there you go.
April 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
rick is right about all the fights except KOSCHECK. Lytle has a hard time w/ STRONG or BIG Welterweights. Hughes and DIESLE RIGGS. he can’t control those kind of guys on the ground. KOS may be kind of a butt he is though next to GSP the best wrestler in that division and can eak out descisions that way. He is the most accomplished wrestler in that divsion but GSP beat him so I say he is the better wrestler he was actually abe to beat him w/ the takedowns.
May 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Forrest is an extremly tough guy. He works hard and can take some punishment…but, I can’t see him beating Rampage. Rampage is on right now. He is so much better than when he fouht in Pride. Even though he tapped Rua, Forest’s grappling/submission is questionable. Of the 5 UFC Champs, I don’t see anyone beating 4 of them for a while- Noguera, Rampage, Silva, and GSP. The one person that can beat Noguera would be Arlovski, and the UFC may lose him. Rampage is ahead of everyone there, Silva’s has nobody to challenge him until Ricardo Almeida wins a few more fights and/or the UFC signs Paulo Filho, and the only threat I see to GSP is Fitch. I predict the following winners:
Rampage
Koscheck
Almeida
Guillard
Stevenson
Mir
Buchholz
Griffin
Saunders
Gurgel
Wilson
May 8th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Biz I can agree with you on Silva and GSP, Silva is the best fighter in his class and has dominated the second best fighter twice (franklin). GSP is a buzzsaw, Hughes is probably done after next fight or two, Serra was a fluke, Fitch is a decent fighter but has shown some vulnerablities, and Hendo I still think is the only viable fight to even give him a run. Hendo lost, didnt get enbarrassed. Heavyweight is weak, BUT, like it or not I think Mir is back and hungry, and Lesnar is SCARY, Sylvia is gone, arlovski looks to be not far behind, couture is gone. So every hvyweight champ for the last five years isnt even in the organization anymore. Rampage may get another fight or two as champ but sooner or later fighting the best fighters in the toughtest class in the world is going to catch up with him once he starts fighting more than once a year. Liddell, Rua, Griffin, Jardine, Silva, Bonner, Silva and others and considering franklin is thinking of going up this div is DEEEEEP. i think many are looking past forrest, either winner is going to earn it in this fight, I think another slugfest. Rampage in three KO, hope im wrong though.
May 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
STEVEO pretty much summed it up. 155 has enough fighter across the board to keep BJ PENN busy for a while. GSP beat just about every good 170 out right now. I don’t see one of the other contenders going on a run like GSP did before he beat HUGHES and was the clear # 1 contender. 185 is SILVA’s he owns that division they can keep throwing guys at him and he will keep getting wins KO’s and TAP OUTS maybe if 1 of the good 205’s come down would give him a run. But 205 is a wierd division that really can change CHAMPS 3 times in about a years time because the division is so stacked. RAMPAGE is the man in my book and should stop GRIFFIN but he has to come back and beat either WANDERLEI or SHOGUN to prove to everyone he is the top 205. HW i don’treally care.
May 9th, 2008 at 6:19 am
It’s sad that people that use this site are obivous dedicated fans aren’t even interested in a entire division. Heavyweight should be the best to watch in my eyes, alot of KO opportunity. Couture, Fedor, Sylvia, even guys like Jeff Monson, the snowman is my fave, are fun to watch and Dana doesnt seem to be too concerned that the other organizations are hoarding the good heavy’s. I still haven’t heard if arlovski is going to be staying or going. Lesnar is the future, Mir is back, but other than them and Big Nog the division is very weak.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
STEVEO you used the right word. SHOULD. HW SHOULD be the best division to watch. Sadly it isn’t. Every other division has some kind of story line to it. The UFC has the 205 division STACKED with championship caliber fighters. 185 has a truly dominant champ in SILVA who is willing to fight anyone and everyone. (and not to no judge decision either KO’s and TAPs) GSP is back at 175 and looks just as strong as when h 1st one the title. Even 155 has drama with BJ and SHERK and all those other guys. HW’s big stories are BROCK and KIMBO 2 newcomers who if you go by the records only shouldn’t even be making headlines they should be audtioning for the TUF show. That division has too many fighters there afraid of getting KO’d that is why the fights are so boring. once ther is someone who gets past that or if ADRE the PITBULL goes back to his old selfit will be watchable again.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:53 am
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June 5th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Really, now we are pimping parties here. What is the world coming to
June 13th, 2008 at 8:49 am
what is every ones view on anderson silva mooving up to lhw, i think it should happen but i think a fight with bisping at 185 would be awsome, rampage beats forrest round 3 tko if not forrest gets the decision.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
The idea of having fights that go to decision as draws is probally the dumbest fucking idea i have ever heard. I see ur logic in what u think could be an idea but if they actually did that people would really stop buying UFC and watch other shows just out of pure frustration. Rampage has such a great chin and excellent power all through his body. Not just punching power but his core strength which will give him the edge in the clinch and will let him be able to control where the fight takes place which will be the reason Forrest will lose and also forrest hasnt really had his chin tested except for jardine and he failed that test. Rember tito cant even punch so he dont count and bonner is more flash and speed then pure punching power. So I think rampage is gonna test his chin and if forrest doesnt use the gameplan that he used against hector ramirez i think this will be a 2rd fight. I still like forrest alot and losing this fight will certainly not damage his reputation or fan base by any means. I cant wait for the fight. The only way forrest can win is if randy chalks up one of his perfect gameplans that let him beat people that he really shouldnt have beat.Props to randy.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
in my perfect world there would be no draws or split decisions.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
steveo i coudlnt disagree with u more how was the rampage chuck II fight a bad stopage? chuck got knocked out and mounted and pounded on. how nmuch longer would u have liked the reff to let him get beat on seriously? he grabbed the reff afterwards thinking he was rampage ur delusional if u think that was a bad stopage. i think chuck could do a lot better next time around but it was chucks fault he lost and nobopdy elses. also the reason rampage got a title shot so fast was because he was the only loss that chuck hadnt avenged it made perfect sense and rampage beat that ass and took advantage of the oppurtunity. you think rampage faught not to lose when he faught henderson? what fight were u watching it was non stop action for five rounds. what planet are u on i dont understand ur thinking at all.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:51 am
What I am saying is that if it some jobber they will let the guy fight until he looks like he got shot in the face… it isnt just the chuck rampage fight, ow many freaking fights have been bad stoppages in the last few months, ask brandon vera, how many fucked up decisions have we seen lately. Look at the TUF Show. CB Dolloway has the cardio of an NFL lineman, thats why he lost once, could have lost the last fight and will lose to Amir again. He thinks hes some knockout artist and he could be if he wasnt tired 45 seconds into the fight. I am just tired of seeing decisions. Machiada will in all his fights the way he fights and those dumb fuck judges score these things. He uses the system to score and win. Put him in with rampage I bet he beats him. Maybe we can get it back to the old days and watch shamrock and gracie roll aorund on the ground for 45 minutes…..sweet. And I made that post as a mma fan not an iloverampage.com. member. Just my opinion and if its that big a deal to you you wouldnt have checked this site 3 months after i posted that.
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
i dont really care who wins i like both guys and both guys are some damn clowns they always be foolin lol gotta love em both
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 pm
rampage should win but forest has a chance especially if rampage is taking him lightly. rampage says it best when he said forest aint neva faught nobody like me before. he’s right i think forest is in over his head but i hope forest takes him atleast 3 rounds
June 24th, 2008 at 1:28 am
On paper rampage should finish forrest off but we all no that forrest has evolved as a fighter as we seen in the shogun fight. He has great wrestling and submission skills and his stand up is always improving. I think that this fight is going to be a war.
June 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
it will be a war for 2 rounds till rampage gets the best of forrest.
June 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
ok well here is what i think about the fights and what should happen .first off forrest in my honest opinion does not belong in the same ring as rampage and i know what you are going to say is that he beat shogun and yeah thats true but tell me truthfully that that was an in shape shogun cause he looked out of shape and also it was his first fight in the ufc cage and probably took griffin a lil to lightley.
so please name another top contender in the ufc that griffin has beat that is either in the top 10 let alone even still in the ufc. NO ONE
also i don’t beleive iceman deserves to fight for the title and i also think they should give shogun a couple of good fights in the UFC befor everyone jumps the gun and says shogun was the best light heaveyweight contender cause he wasn’t the one with the pride championship it was dan henderson .
to me chucky need to prove himself again against maybe henderson to be back in the top 5 yeah he did beat the axe murderer but that was also wandies first fight in the cage since what mid 90’s so to me i beleive wandie and chucky should have another rematch.
also look at it this way the saying goes…….”you may be big but theres always someone bigger”>>>>>>>>
to me rampage has proved himself against chucky and dominated in both encounters there is always someone who has your # and can beat you like wandie against rampage and rampage against chucky .
June 28th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
stephan bonner isn’t even in the top 10 2 wins by desicion
maybe jardine is in the top ten but not top 5 and got put to sleep ZZzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ
elvis sinosec not in top 10 he won by tko
who the hell is hector ramirez not in UFC AND NOT TOP20
wow an overrated but good tito ortiz at the time was top 10 but not top 5 and he lost
then theres shogun who hadn’t fought in the ufc let alone a cage and was also out of shape and this ais a fact cause he was gassed in the end of the first round and he still gave forrest the fight of his life till the rnc
so please can someone tell me where in this list of nobody’s and somewhat somebody’s is griffin in the top 5 let alone #1 contender cause how is it you can be devistatingley put to sleep by a maybe top 10 fighter then win against a nobody and get a match with ring rusted rua for the #1 seat
it just baffles me how the UFC has been going downhill in their match up selections. i would love to hear from someone who has been watching reall mma fights for almost as long as i have and not be bias to their fighter casue i am not a griffin fan nore a rampage fan just a true to heart mma fan
i’m not taking anything away from griffin cause he is a semi good fighter and is fun as hell to watch but to everyone who is saying that griffin is getting better when he has had only 2 fights under his belt since being punished and put to sleep by jardine ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
June 28th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I am not so sure Wand could beat Rampage now. Its really not even close to fighting in Pride and fighting in the UFC. I see the Wand vs Rampage fight turning out bad for Wand. But yes Wand wanst a rematch with Chuck but chuck wants rashad a guy he knows he can beat easliy and a title shot. Im not sure many people want to see Chuck go at it with Rampage again. I would personally like to see chuck fight rashad then Shogun. Then if he wins that he has earned a title shot. Dont dis forrest dude I think he gots Shoguns #. I dont see Shogun able to submit him and I dont think he can beat Forrest on the feet or in the clinch and wrestling department. I feel that Shogun is only a top fighter in Pride. I just dont see him finding such great success in the UFC as he did with Pride and the different rules they had. By the way I dont think Dan could hang with Shogun today.
June 28th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
STEVE O how can you say that chuck got screwed in the rampage fight if you watch it in slow mo over and over again you will definatley se that after the 3rd shot to chucky’s head while he was laying on his back he went limp and if it wasn’t for the ref he would have gotten really hurt then even after the fight watch chucky in his corner cause he didn’t even know what had happened or even that he had gotten knocked
so please explain to me how chucky got fucked in that fight cause he was put to sleep and din’t even know it
June 28th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
ok first off dan can hang with almost anyone in the ufc he got hit good and plenty by rampage and gave back what he got i do in fact think you are right in the chucky wanting an easy fight then a title shot but i beleive he should have to earn it .
on the matter of me dissing forrest don’t get me wron but he has failed to prove himself against a top contender and has had trouble with the not top contenders he has faced. look at it this way he is a good fighter but in having shoguns # is completley ludacris casue the fact is that shogun had acl problems which basicly stopped him from training at full pottential in matters of conditioning and strength. you must not have watched alot of his fights in pride cause after the first round in almost all of his pride fights he still looked good and healthy yet he gassed in the end of the first round of the griffin fight.
where are your facts that griffin has shoguns # cause even a gassed out shogun seemed to inflict damage to a well trained and almost fresh griffin and he still lasted almost the full 3 rounds
now put a fully prepaired and 80% healthy cause no fighter goes into a match at 100% shogun in the ring with griffin and you will be devistatingly shown the truth about your so called #1 contender that he doesn’t belong in the same ring with the likes of rua,rampage,silva and even anderson silva
and this is to all the people who think that since griffin has a height size advantage power doesn’t come from height it comes from sheer and utter strength which forrest is lacking. he doesn’t have knock out power and cotoure can’t teach knock out power and he can’t teach him to have a stronger chin that is just impossible.like i have seen before he can stand and bang with the likes of bonner ,and ortiz but these 2 guys are not know to have power.
yeah ortiz has power but he doesn’t have stand up and bang power.
and bonner is a banger but not known for power
the one guy who he tried to stand and bang with that is known for striking was jardine and everyone knows how that fight ended ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:30 am
i think its gonna be an all out brawl and in the cage anything can happen. but i have to say i think there will be a new champ soon and the guy i think will take it from anyone in the 205 who holds it at the time is lyoto machida i just dont see anyone who can get round his amazing head for the sport i mean tell me if u think im wrong but i cant see someone like rampage getting no ware near him to knock him out.
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 am
i think rampage would beat him but there is alot of ppl that couldnt for sure like chuck would lose,rashed,forestt,jardine
i think Both silva would beat him those just because they all come forward and dont back down
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:26 am
i agree tom it will take some one that comes forward and is agressive, another counter striker would not fair well and be a boring fight.
July 2nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
yes i do agree with ya but it was just watching the fight with tito who was mooving forward fast and aggresive could not even get close but granted it was a boring fight and if ya look at lyoto’s ufc record all but one fight has come by ud the guy has great skill to stay away from other fighters and hes tough but once again i agree his fights are boring
July 2nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
i thought tito was not that agressive, or at least not agressive as he should have been, intell the 3rd round but part of it was definetly loyota being elusive
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 pm
lyoto is a good fighter and i do think that he could have a chance because of his great counter striking but it would be a semi war cause rampage has a solid chin and is a lot more aggressive then tito could and would ever be.the fight with tito and lyoto was a great fight but alot of people would disagree but lyoto took him to school and showed that he is a very intelligent striker.there is a huge difference between rampage and tito cause tito is not a stand up fighter he basically sucks at stand up striking .
tito’s whole fighting skill stems from ground and pound and it works great against fighters who can’t defend the take down but when you put him in the ring with a superior striker he has problems which was shown in the lyoto ,lidelle,forrest, and rashad fights
now on to the point forrest has no chance in beating rampage for many reasons griffin has never been in a 5 round fight and has never survived against a good dtriker let alone a great striker.
rampage will win by ko in the 2nd or 3rd
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:00 am
Everyone knows that SHOGUN has looked a lot better in his technique and his physicall shape than he did against FORREST. But the point is FORREST still beat him by stoppage and SHOGUN was considered one of the top 205’s in world when he was beaten. The fact that FORREST beat on of the last guys who beat RAMPAGE, more like punished him really, gave him the shot. There is nothing wrong with him having the title shot. The main reason is that the fight won’t be boring. Now in regards to winning, RAMPAGE should dominate him this will be the first fight where the UFC will RAMPAGE’s BIG SLAMS he is known for. FORREST doesn’t have great take down defense. RAMPAGE’s last 3 oponents, all good or great wrestlers HENDO world class wrestler CHUCK almost never gets taken down, even EASTMAN was a good wrestler. FORREST was getting pounded by TITO in the 1st round of that fight and RAMPAGE is younger, stronger, and hits twice as hard than TITO does. Look for early SLAMS and GROUND -N- POUND to wear FORREST out. FORREST will try to continue but just like in RAMPAGE vs CHUCK 1 back in PRIDE he won’t be able to take that for long. But the effort will be there. RAMPAGE overmatches FORREST in this one.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:07 am
If CHUCK can KO RASHAAD and beats WAND in the rematch or has another big KO after the EVANS fight he “should” be back at the top. But he has to fight WAND again or SHOGUN before doing that. But if SHOGUN wins his next fight and looks great doing it. They have to put him in there with RAMPAGE again to see iff RAMAPAGE’s improved stand up is as good as it looks. As for ANDERSON SILVA he is the puond for pund best if HENDO can win at 205 there is no reason to say he can’t. I would like to see him beat up a few more people @ 185 tho’. BISBING, OKAMI after that bogus disqualification SPIDER got against him, even GSP if he ever moves up. But you can’t knock him for wanting a challange when really he has dominated that division for like 2 years now and all the BIG money fights are at 205. Every one knows that. Accept Keith Jardine he gets ripped off every fight.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:27 am
chuck says he got a title shot with a win or evans, according to him.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
liddell is an elite killer but rampage beat him first time with all around strength & persistance. in the second match page used very classic american boxing stance and made liddells unorthodox ma boxing style seem not so great – he outboxed liddell.
griffin wont win against page with anything like in the shogun fight. unless page comes in terribly out of shape – unlikely though.
he’ll have to hurt him early or just avoid the KO from page and squeek a decision.
page is a top the weight class tied with the best shogun (who still has the best skills)
July 5th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
man rampage needs to be beat he is really annoying me with all his im going to kick his ass statments uhhh just beat him already
July 5th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
I expected that from him. What I didn’t expect is that Forrest basically is not even commenting on his fight. I don’t think its out of respect for Rampage. I think Forrest realizes what this fight means and he is a little nervous. I like both fighters a lot but I hope Forrest can pull off the upset.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
WHO WON COTE FIGHT”:|
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 am
griffin wins by unaminous decision joke i know he won really and he truley deserved it