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UFC 86: Jackson vs. Griffin
Date: |
July 5, 2008 |
Venue: |
Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada |
Broadcast: |
Pay-Per-View |
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Main Card
Quinton “Rampage” Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin
Chris Lytle vs. Josh Koscheck
Patrick Cote vs. Ricardo Almeida
Melvin Guillard vs. Dennis Siver
Joe Stevenson vs. Gleison Tibau
Frank Mir vs. Justin McCully
Justin Buchholz vs. Corey Hill
Tyson Griffin vs. Marcus Aurelio
Ben Saunders vs. Jared Rollins
Cole Miller vs. Jorge Gurgel
Steve Bruno vs. Chris Wilson
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March 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
FORREST GRIFFIN WINS BY REAR NAKED CHOKE IN THE FOURTH ROUND GARUNTEE
March 13th, 2008 at 6:19 am
Someone just beat rampage I am so sick of hearing and seeing this guy. Forrest it a fun fight to watch and I would love to see him be champ and actually go out and put on a show for the fans.
March 13th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Stevo how could u not like Rampage? He always loves putting on a show and when he doesn’t he’s fighting a good fight. I really like both fighters and dont really care who wins.
March 13th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I agree they are both good fighters but Forrest set one hell of a precedense when we fought Bonner in the TUF final best fight I have ever seen, basing more of my statements off that havent really seen much from rampage in my opinion, “knocked out” Liddell, cmon that was pretty weak of a stoppage and I am not so sure that he deserved a decision against Hendo. Not saying he did not win, I just hate the way the UFC lets the judges decide a fight. More rounds, longer rounds whatever but we have been privy to several massive screw jobs by refs in the past few years. The way the judges score fights allow Tim the sloth Sylvia stay in the hunt to win fights cause he used to finish fights, now hes just trying to make it through them.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
i agree with steveo i dont like rampage either and yes that griffin bonnar fight was one of the best fights i have ever seen and i do think rounds should be longer because you cant leave it up to the judges any more like the bisping hammil fight, that kongo herring fight could have gone either way and if lidell beats evans wich i think he will i think he should get a title shot i would much rather see lidell griffin than another lidell rampage
March 16th, 2008 at 7:33 am
rampage victory TKO second round
March 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Rampage by TKO in 2nd. I love forrest but he doesn’t even have a puncher’s chance against rampage.
No, you rampage haters are gonna have to wait for shogun because ain’t no one else gonna take out page’.
March 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
The same Shogun that had a title shot, and all he had to do was beat, who was it again…… I can’t……. rememb… oh ya FORREST GRIFFIN. So until this guy shows me hes not just another one of Dana’s heres a title shot cuz you were great in pride and I am not gonna make you earn it ( RAMPAGE, SHOGUN, CRO COP ) he might as well be micheal bisping to me. I think its hilarious how people forget about someone getting beaten so quickly and put them right back into that unbeatable status again. Liddell gets fucked on a “knock out” by a ref and suddenly hes lost it, needs to retire, I am not even a Liddell fan but seriously guys lets think about this stuff before we start putting a fighter on the cross and making him holy. “PAGE” hasnt shown me much other than he pulled a silvia and just tried to not lose against hendersen, still not impressed, sorry.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:22 am
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March 25th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Griffin has not fought a true great stand-up guy, I like Forrest I do, But the power of Rampage is the difinitive advantage in this fight. The only way griffin will win is by decesion, which will not happen. I have Rampage in 3.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Ric, did you ever see the Bonner-Griffin fight which was one of the best fights in MMA history and they didnt exactly spend alot of time on the ground. I think if they stand forrest has a much better chance than he does if it goes to the ground.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I did see this “Bonner-Griffin” fight you speak of. Who hasnt. Bonner isnt a top tear striker as is Jackson who has fought top level people, its Griffins first real test which I see him failing at.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:37 am
By the way the Rua fight was a joke, Griffin bleeding doenst make it a good fight, he bleeds if washes his face too hard. Rua didnt offer anything to Griffin. It wasnt a good fight, Jackson is much improved since his pride days and even though he doenst like training doesnt mean he doesnt train. He’ll beat Forrest in a devastating fashion. Regardless its the hype for TUF anyway, its good for the sport so lets see it.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:02 am
The fight is gonna be a good one but Griffin’s willingness to trade is gonna get him caught on the chin then SLAMMED to the ground and then finished late in the 2nd round. Rampage has been facing better people his whole career and SHOGUN looked drunk before the fight w/ GRIFFIN even started. Sorry STEVEO but CHUCK went limp as a dead fish in that fight and was cleary out and if McCarthy didin’t stop it when he did chuck would have got really injured.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:35 am
i agree with you achilles rampage is better at every aspect of the game,forrest is tough and has heart but i don’t think it will be enough in this one.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I agree I like griffin cause he has heart but bonner was a nobody when they fought and still is griffin like said in these comments has really hasn’t fought anyone with serious punching power. the only credible fighter he fought was tito and he is done. quinton on the other hand has serious power and all out is just to big and strong. I agree with roy griffin doesn’t have power to knock rampage out and her for sure is not gonna out muscle on the ground. Like in boxing gotti put on a good show with mickey ward but when he stepped up to fight say mayweather he was embarassed doesn’t mean he ain’t a good fighter just in a diffent class
March 27th, 2008 at 5:48 am
Achillies, Chuck may have been out I acknowledge that, I just really dont like rampage, im more of a walk not talk guy and i am sick of hearing him run his mouth. But if anyone disagrees with me let me know, if two unknown guys are fighting they will let it go til one of them pretty much quits but if someone who they pay some money gets a scratch they stop the damn fight. I am also a fan of more rounds or longer rounds or something because we have been privy to several screw jobs in the past few years, sometimes you wonder what the hell the judges see that make them score the fight the way they do.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:17 am
STEVEO your right longer rounds may be more entertaining but guys will be retiring a lot earilier. I used to box and 3 minutes (without grappling) and 16 oz gloves can wear out any body. You look @ the 1st Griffin vs Bonner fight those guys only fought for 15 minutes and both of them was hospitalized for days after the fight was over. DANA WHITE has the best saying in regards to scoring. “Don’t leave it in the hands of the judges”. When chuck was in his prime (only like 2 years ago) and guys like ANDERSON SILVA now they are considered the best becaused the STOPPED everyone they fought. The best way to win is to KNOCK or TAP OUT the oppenent the judges can only go by what they think it sucks. But if you knock the guy out you don’t have to worry about that. Its simple not easy but simple
March 27th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Shit, then change the rule, a fight not stopped is a draw then, maybe that will light a fire under guys like sylvia. I dunno I just dont like the way it usually ends up working out, I dont understand how they score a round 10-9 is one guy gets domintaed how the hell does he still dewerve 9 points, this isnt boxing, its a whole different animal whihc is why they need a whole new scoring system or something. I just think its time for a change
April 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I think Steveo brings a great point, instead of scoring at the end of an undecided fight, make it a draw. It won’t compromise the fighters health of credibility, it just might light a fire so they have an initiative to knock their next opponent out.
Or maybe better even, why not guarantee the winner of a knock-out or tap-out decision a bonus for an exciting finale? That for me would be enough incentive to want brake an arm/leg or knock some ones head off, just some food for thought.
April 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
i hate split decisions the most so how about if they made it so any fight ending in a split decision goes one more round.
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:15 am
thats not a bad idea, i would go for that
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
brougham, actually the UFC already has such bonuses in place. In the last UFC Anderson Silva and Dan Henderson each received $60,000 for fight of the night, Silva also received and additional $60,000 for submission of the night, and Chris Leben got a $60,000 bonus for knockout of the night.
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I think to make MMA better, get rid of Cecil Peoples and Steve Mazagatti.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
MOREY is funny but you can’t blame the refs and judges. MMA is made so you can have as many ways as possible to finish the fight. Let’s add a bonus round to a great 5 round fight the scores are 38-37, 38-37 and 37-38 for one guy you fight another round that was hard to score and it goes 9-10, 9-10, 10-9. What do you get? 3 judges who score the fight 47-47 a USELESS TIE. Judges scoring can be the biggest motivator in fighting. You can tell if your guy is losing probably not getting killed but losing on points then If the guy doesn’t want to be screwed he will go to try to finish the fight. MATT HUGHES was good at always trying to finish a fight and not just getting desicions even if it meant him getting STOPPED himself. If guys were trying to get KO’s or TAPS crap like this will never happened it is when fighters just try to wait ou the clock is when these things happen like TIM SYLVIA. It is a terrible fact when bad scores by judges coome out it is usuallay (not always) that 1 of the 2 fighters tried to milk the clock and just eak out a win.
April 5th, 2008 at 7:17 am
I really like Griffin and I’d rather see him win it, but I don’t think it will happen. Rampage has more impressive fights than what he did in UFC. Don’t forget he was a monster in Pride too. Griffin has matured a lot as a fighter though since that bonnar fight. I think he has the knowledge to do it, but Rampage has the knowledge AND strength. I also hope guillard and koscheck get laid out (Probably won’t happen to koscheck) and I hope Stevenson and Mir dominate.
*Also, have you heard Rampage talk on TUF? Oh my god, he sounds like he got the intelligence beaten out of him long ago.
April 5th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Wow this cards really shaping up
April 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
rampage cant talk worth a damn…its annoying…but he is a good fighter and i think forrest and him will be a good fight…i know most think rampage will win but forrest brings a good game plan to his fights so you cant count him out…does anybody know if hes still training with randy? randys always in his corner…that will be an advantage if so IMO
April 9th, 2008 at 9:41 am
RAMPAGE get’s paid to seel tickets and act like an IDIOT, He is good at it. I saw an interview when he was in JAPAN in PRIDE after a fight where he humped some AISIAN reporter’s leg the whole time. In the US he would BANNED and SUED. But is all in the name of MMA so it is all good. The problem w/ FORREST is he has good training, good skills, good coaching, good gameplanning,…then he gets hit in the face and forgets all about it. Against good strikers that also have great ground games that can’t happen. He crazy in there with Jardine then was clocked. That is what will happen against RAMPAGE.
April 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
it’s hard to say with quinton jackson…he’s always gonna bring a decent fight to the table but i think that he’s been hit by some of the hardest fists MMA has to offer so i dunno if it’s an act or not
April 9th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Well guys in the grand scheme of things I would say that it is fair to question the intelligence of anyone who makes a living do something that isnt a crim ejust because it is in the ring. Lets not forget that NATE DIAZ sounded lik ehe had down syndrome the other night, hes a fighter cuz he may actually be too stupid to do anything else. I think rampage just puts on a show and goes with it because some people (NOT ME!!!) think its ammusing. I think its sad that he has the chance to be the face of a sport essentially and he just gets on national television and makes most onlookers think, hey look these guys are big dumb men who just punch because they cant do fractions, SAD. If more people and fighters carried themselves like Andersen Sliva and Randy Couture the world would be a better place, the beautiful thing about winning is you can always tell someone who does it in life and someone who just gets lucky every now and then.
April 9th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Also, the first TUF episode was great, fighting your way onto the show is a super idea, I am with Dana I am tired of guys crying cuz a camera is in there face or they havent been home in two weeks, adds a great twist to the show plus you get to see what most of them have right up front.
April 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
true that if you sign up for the show and you make it on there you should be aware that there are going to be cameras in your face 24/7 especially for the UFC since it’s one of the fastest growing organizations ever…i like it bcuz it’s less talk and more fights
April 11th, 2008 at 11:43 am
rampage is going to kill griffin, griffin is one of my favorite fighters but rampage is way bigger and is going to knock him out late second round. he will not knock him out in the first because griffing is on tough guy
April 14th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Griffin by submission, thats how I see it. I know that he doesn’t have the strength to knock Rampage out but I think hes got skill and heart to do so.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Gonna be a true test for Griffin I could see him doing it somehow someway. Its almost rampages fight to lose I think hes that good now. I’ll be rooting for my TUF guy who was able to submit shogun go forrest go.
April 25th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Heres who I got:
Jackson Def. Griffin via TKO 1st RND
Lytle Def. Koschek via RNC 3rd RND
Cote Def. Almeida via Decesion
Guillard def. Siver via KO 1st RND
Stevenson Over Tibau via Armbar 2nd RND
Mir def McCully via heel hook 1st RND
Hill def Bucholtz via decesion
Aurelio def Griffin via omaplata 3rd RND (it could happen)
Saunders Def. Rollins via RNC 1st RND
there you go.
April 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
rick is right about all the fights except KOSCHECK. Lytle has a hard time w/ STRONG or BIG Welterweights. Hughes and DIESLE RIGGS. he can’t control those kind of guys on the ground. KOS may be kind of a butt he is though next to GSP the best wrestler in that division and can eak out descisions that way. He is the most accomplished wrestler in that divsion but GSP beat him so I say he is the better wrestler he was actually abe to beat him w/ the takedowns.
May 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Forrest is an extremly tough guy. He works hard and can take some punishment…but, I can’t see him beating Rampage. Rampage is on right now. He is so much better than when he fouht in Pride. Even though he tapped Rua, Forest’s grappling/submission is questionable. Of the 5 UFC Champs, I don’t see anyone beating 4 of them for a while- Noguera, Rampage, Silva, and GSP. The one person that can beat Noguera would be Arlovski, and the UFC may lose him. Rampage is ahead of everyone there, Silva’s has nobody to challenge him until Ricardo Almeida wins a few more fights and/or the UFC signs Paulo Filho, and the only threat I see to GSP is Fitch. I predict the following winners:
Rampage
Koscheck
Almeida
Guillard
Stevenson
Mir
Buchholz
Griffin
Saunders
Gurgel
Wilson
May 8th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Biz I can agree with you on Silva and GSP, Silva is the best fighter in his class and has dominated the second best fighter twice (franklin). GSP is a buzzsaw, Hughes is probably done after next fight or two, Serra was a fluke, Fitch is a decent fighter but has shown some vulnerablities, and Hendo I still think is the only viable fight to even give him a run. Hendo lost, didnt get enbarrassed. Heavyweight is weak, BUT, like it or not I think Mir is back and hungry, and Lesnar is SCARY, Sylvia is gone, arlovski looks to be not far behind, couture is gone. So every hvyweight champ for the last five years isnt even in the organization anymore. Rampage may get another fight or two as champ but sooner or later fighting the best fighters in the toughtest class in the world is going to catch up with him once he starts fighting more than once a year. Liddell, Rua, Griffin, Jardine, Silva, Bonner, Silva and others and considering franklin is thinking of going up this div is DEEEEEP. i think many are looking past forrest, either winner is going to earn it in this fight, I think another slugfest. Rampage in three KO, hope im wrong though.
May 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
STEVEO pretty much summed it up. 155 has enough fighter across the board to keep BJ PENN busy for a while. GSP beat just about every good 170 out right now. I don’t see one of the other contenders going on a run like GSP did before he beat HUGHES and was the clear # 1 contender. 185 is SILVA’s he owns that division they can keep throwing guys at him and he will keep getting wins KO’s and TAP OUTS maybe if 1 of the good 205’s come down would give him a run. But 205 is a wierd division that really can change CHAMPS 3 times in about a years time because the division is so stacked. RAMPAGE is the man in my book and should stop GRIFFIN but he has to come back and beat either WANDERLEI or SHOGUN to prove to everyone he is the top 205. HW i don’treally care.
May 9th, 2008 at 6:19 am
It’s sad that people that use this site are obivous dedicated fans aren’t even interested in a entire division. Heavyweight should be the best to watch in my eyes, alot of KO opportunity. Couture, Fedor, Sylvia, even guys like Jeff Monson, the snowman is my fave, are fun to watch and Dana doesnt seem to be too concerned that the other organizations are hoarding the good heavy’s. I still haven’t heard if arlovski is going to be staying or going. Lesnar is the future, Mir is back, but other than them and Big Nog the division is very weak.
May 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
STEVEO you used the right word. SHOULD. HW SHOULD be the best division to watch. Sadly it isn’t. Every other division has some kind of story line to it. The UFC has the 205 division STACKED with championship caliber fighters. 185 has a truly dominant champ in SILVA who is willing to fight anyone and everyone. (and not to no judge decision either KO’s and TAPs) GSP is back at 175 and looks just as strong as when h 1st one the title. Even 155 has drama with BJ and SHERK and all those other guys. HW’s big stories are BROCK and KIMBO 2 newcomers who if you go by the records only shouldn’t even be making headlines they should be audtioning for the TUF show. That division has too many fighters there afraid of getting KO’d that is why the fights are so boring. once ther is someone who gets past that or if ADRE the PITBULL goes back to his old selfit will be watchable again.