Comments on: M-1 Make The Case For Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brock Lesnar http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:43:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Cobra Clutch http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-37748 Cobra Clutch Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:56:54 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-37748 38th. 38th.

]]> By: Tim http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-34192 Tim Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:15:30 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-34192 Dylan9 said it best "You can train anyone to be a great fighter even if they aren’t an athlete….you can NOT teach a person to be a great athlete and thats what MMA is becoming." Think what you may of Lesnar but with his athletic abilities the sky is the limit for him. DayDay...whats wrong with me agreeing with a comment that Brock got his title fight in his 4th fight ever...i understand that others may have had fights before and have proved themselves in that aspect but so has lesnar from a none fighting standpoint..you see Lesanr already had star characteristics and a damn good college career in wrestling and a high stint in the WWE which i also think he got his title shot early but you cant blame him for it...its not like he asked for it...Dana asked him and it was strictly a business decision....i hate to say this but if your not in it from a business standpoint than a promotion will never make it. End of story though Lesnar is the champ and although he is green he will ultimelty get better and that is scarry for even Fedor. Dylan9 said it best “You can train anyone to be a great fighter even if they aren’t an athlete….you can NOT teach a person to be a great athlete and thats what MMA is becoming.” Think what you may of Lesnar but with his athletic abilities the sky is the limit for him.
DayDay…whats wrong with me agreeing with a comment that Brock got his title fight in his 4th fight ever…i understand that others may have had fights before and have proved themselves in that aspect but so has lesnar from a none fighting standpoint..you see Lesanr already had star characteristics and a damn good college career in wrestling and a high stint in the WWE which i also think he got his title shot early but you cant blame him for it…its not like he asked for it…Dana asked him and it was strictly a business decision….i hate to say this but if your not in it from a business standpoint than a promotion will never make it. End of story though Lesnar is the champ and although he is green he will ultimelty get better and that is scarry for even Fedor.

]]> By: Someone rightly http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-34182 Someone rightly Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:47:25 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-34182 Yes, Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world. But for all those who dislike Brock and they might have their reasons, they should know that Brock isn't your average MMA fighter. Underestimate him you may, but I dont know too many guys who without submission skills, without striking or boxing skills would have made it as far as he has. Do you? Let's not forget that when he faced Mir he almost knocked his lights out in his first UFC bout losing out in the end to what was a rookie mistake. Then, not too many guys would look good in defeat against Mir and then go on to beat Herring and Couture in only their 2nd and 3rd fights. Seriously.. for all those who say that Randy is an old man and had one year off plus a weight disadvantage should ask themselves whether other fighters would've been able to do any better against him. Brock Lesnar is a superb athlete with unparalleled conditioning and needless to say a genetic freak. Lastly, You can coach technique but you can't coach strength and that's why the arguments above that Lesnar in 2-3 years will be a much more complete fighter are very true. Also it makes NO sense for UFC or Dana to promote the Lesnar-Fedor card AT ALL. I will go on and say that even if M1 gives ALL the revenues to UFC there is not much logic to go for the fight. Brock is selling out events in a gargantuan way and has raised the PPV buy-rate of UFC as well as its merchandise..something acknowledged by Yahoo Sports too. So the guy is a veritable cash cow.... And if he loses to Fedor then that image and the revenue coming from it is really compromised. So essentially the fight doesnt make sense from a long term perspective. Fedor beating Lesnar would be an embarassment to UFC and would surely make a lot of viewers jump to M1 and Affliction. So not only do your No.1 guy lose credibility but the competition gets a serious leg up. UNLESS they can secure Fedor immediately after the fight, Dana cannot allow this fight to take place. Never. Yes, Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world. But for all those who dislike Brock and they might have their reasons, they should know that Brock isn’t your average MMA fighter. Underestimate him you may, but I dont know too many guys who without submission skills, without striking or boxing skills would have made it as far as he has. Do you? Let’s not forget that when he faced Mir he almost knocked his lights out in his first UFC bout losing out in the end to what was a rookie mistake. Then, not too many guys would look good in defeat against Mir and then go on to beat Herring and Couture in only their 2nd and 3rd fights. Seriously.. for all those who say that Randy is an old man and had one year off plus a weight disadvantage should ask themselves whether other fighters would’ve been able to do any better against him. Brock Lesnar is a superb athlete with unparalleled conditioning and needless to say a genetic freak. Lastly, You can coach technique but you can’t coach strength and that’s why the arguments above that Lesnar in 2-3 years will be a much more complete fighter are very true.

Also it makes NO sense for UFC or Dana to promote the Lesnar-Fedor card AT ALL. I will go on and say that even if M1 gives ALL the revenues to UFC there is not much logic to go for the fight. Brock is selling out events in a gargantuan way and has raised the PPV buy-rate of UFC as well as its merchandise..something acknowledged by Yahoo Sports too. So the guy is a veritable cash cow…. And if he loses to Fedor then that image and the revenue coming from it is really compromised. So essentially the fight doesnt make sense from a long term perspective. Fedor beating Lesnar would be an embarassment to UFC and would surely make a lot of viewers jump to M1 and Affliction. So not only do your No.1 guy lose credibility but the competition gets a serious leg up. UNLESS they can secure Fedor immediately after the fight, Dana cannot allow this fight to take place. Never.

]]> By: Dylan9 http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-32681 Dylan9 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:54:02 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-32681 The way I see it is this, Fedor is as of right now the best HW in the world...yet Lesnar is an absolute freak of nature. Dana would not sign a contract with Affliction until Lesnar has walked through the HW division, at the point the "super fight" would take place. That will be in a few years time and at that point Fedor would not last, now I am a die hard Fedor fan and have watched him since he first won his belt against Nog, he is an astounding fighter and has it all...yet Lesnar is still growing as a fighter and his sheer size and athletic ability is an advantage already. Lesnar first round KO. Fedor will always be my favorite fighter but a new era of MMA is emerging and its athletes like GSP and Lesnar that are guna rule that world. You can train anyone to be a great fighter even if they aren't an athlete....you can NOT teach a person to be a great athlete and thats what MMA is becoming. The way I see it is this, Fedor is as of right now the best HW in the world…yet Lesnar is an absolute freak of nature. Dana would not sign a contract with Affliction until Lesnar has walked through the HW division, at the point the “super fight” would take place. That will be in a few years time and at that point Fedor would not last, now I am a die hard Fedor fan and have watched him since he first won his belt against Nog, he is an astounding fighter and has it all…yet Lesnar is still growing as a fighter and his sheer size and athletic ability is an advantage already. Lesnar first round KO. Fedor will always be my favorite fighter but a new era of MMA is emerging and its athletes like GSP and Lesnar that are guna rule that world. You can train anyone to be a great fighter even if they aren’t an athlete….you can NOT teach a person to be a great athlete and thats what MMA is becoming.

]]> By: Ryan S http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-28672 Ryan S Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:34:10 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-28672 I don't want to admit it, but dayday has a really good point. Those guys proved themselves, just not in UFC. When I first started reading his post, I thought, oh god you jack-ass, now I think I am a jack-ass. Having three professional fights under your belt isn't necessarily a logical point in your career to fight for the title in the biggest organization in the world. Whereas GSP, Hughes, Silva, they all had bigger records to pad the justification. Lesnar went into that fight with a 33% loss rate. That doesn't really mean anything I guess. I don’t want to admit it, but dayday has a really good point. Those guys proved themselves, just not in UFC. When I first started reading his post, I thought, oh god you jack-ass, now I think I am a jack-ass. Having three professional fights under your belt isn’t necessarily a logical point in your career to fight for the title in the biggest organization in the world. Whereas GSP, Hughes, Silva, they all had bigger records to pad the justification. Lesnar went into that fight with a 33% loss rate. That doesn’t really mean anything I guess.

]]> By: dayday http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-28553 dayday Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:12:03 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-28553 Jake why do u bring up when guys have gotten title shots? Do u think that helps ur agruement? The sport has evovles from the ealry days or alteast it should have. Couture being given a title shot in the beginning of the sport with only 3 fights was because the sport wasn't even close to being a big as it is now. The u say GSP. Well GSP was 5-0 before he got his first fight in the UFC and he WON both of his fights in the octagon to earn a title shot over a couple good fighters. You think if he would have lost his first or 2nd fight in the UFC he would have got a title shot in his thrid fight? NO. Then u say Anderson Silva. Anderson was a Pride Vet and with a record of 19-4 coming into the octagon lol not 1-0 like Lesnar so dont compare there either. The u say Matt Hughes. Wow back i the day when hughes fought a lot mma fighters didnt really just figh for 1 promotion. They fought anywhere they could and Hughes may not of had many fights in the UFC but he had a record of 29-3. Hmmmmmm..... that makes more since for a title fight doesnt? 29-3 sounds pretty damn good to me. Well it sounds a hell of a lot better than 2-1 lol. Nice try Jake. LOL and the funny and pathetic thing about your coment is that Tim agreed. Jake why do u bring up when guys have gotten title shots? Do u think that helps ur agruement? The sport has evovles from the ealry days or alteast it should have. Couture being given a title shot in the beginning of the sport with only 3 fights was because the sport wasn’t even close to being a big as it is now. The u say GSP. Well GSP was 5-0 before he got his first fight in the UFC and he WON both of his fights in the octagon to earn a title shot over a couple good fighters. You think if he would have lost his first or 2nd fight in the UFC he would have got a title shot in his thrid fight? NO. Then u say Anderson Silva. Anderson was a Pride Vet and with a record of 19-4 coming into the octagon lol not 1-0 like Lesnar so dont compare there either. The u say Matt Hughes. Wow back i the day when hughes fought a lot mma fighters didnt really just figh for 1 promotion. They fought anywhere they could and Hughes may not of had many fights in the UFC but he had a record of 29-3. Hmmmmmm….. that makes more since for a title fight doesnt? 29-3 sounds pretty damn good to me. Well it sounds a hell of a lot better than 2-1 lol. Nice try Jake. LOL and the funny and pathetic thing about your coment is that Tim agreed.

]]> By: roy http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-28509 roy Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:14:40 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-28509 your on a roll steve great post. your on a roll steve great post.

]]> By: Tim http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-28491 Tim Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:28:07 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-28491 I agree with Jake but i love the guy win or lose i think he is great for the sport and the ONLY reason people are hating on him is because he was in the WWE and they dont like the fact that he has great athletic ability came in here and dominated with only 2 true years of training which one of them was spent fighting and learning at the same time and then becomes UFC champ....The bottom line is the UFC HWGHT div isnt weak they have a list of quality opponents who are yes big names and no names but that doesnt take away the fact that their still competition and good fighters their just new and developing just like Lesnar. Affliction has what 4 big names in HWGT and then who? No names so how can you say the UFC HWGHT div is weak? Its actually stacked with loads of potentially great fighters. Get over the fact that Brock was in the WWE he is now in MMA and shit the guy works hard and has the overall skills to become a legend in this sport just like Randy,Fedor, Shamrock, Coleman, Liddel,Tito etc...All he needs is time to develope...Did FEdor become this Great MMA fighter overnight fUCK NO so stop the hate and just relate...LOL seriously relate to the fact that Lesnar is new so he is learning but he is learning at tremendous speed and it doesnt matter how good Fedor or anyone gets EVERYONE CAN BE BEATEN...EVERYONE..in 3 years brock will be just that much better and so will FEDOR but there is a point where like the the Couture fight that Strenght, Speed Athletic ability along with wrestling and MMA skills cannot be matched...and thats where Lesnar can beat Fedor with his Strenght,Speed, wrestling and his devolping MMA skills but right now i would give him a chance against him but in 2-3 years it would be more of an even match in my eyes. Bottom line both are great fighters one has proven himself and one is just starting too but they all had to start from the bottom or from square 1...the likelhood of a fedor vs lesnar match is far away especially right but did you ever think that M-1 is putting this out NOW for the fact they know that in 2-3 years Brock will much more of a threat to any fighter. I agree with Jake but i love the guy win or lose i think he is great for the sport and the ONLY reason people are hating on him is because he was in the WWE and they dont like the fact that he has great athletic ability came in here and dominated with only 2 true years of training which one of them was spent fighting and learning at the same time and then becomes UFC champ….The bottom line is the UFC HWGHT div isnt weak they have a list of quality opponents who are yes big names and no names but that doesnt take away the fact that their still competition and good fighters their just new and developing just like Lesnar. Affliction has what 4 big names in HWGT and then who? No names so how can you say the UFC HWGHT div is weak? Its actually stacked with loads of potentially great fighters. Get over the fact that Brock was in the WWE he is now in MMA and shit the guy works hard and has the overall skills to become a legend in this sport just like Randy,Fedor, Shamrock, Coleman, Liddel,Tito etc…All he needs is time to develope…Did FEdor become this Great MMA fighter overnight fUCK NO so stop the hate and just relate…LOL seriously relate to the fact that Lesnar is new so he is learning but he is learning at tremendous speed and it doesnt matter how good Fedor or anyone gets EVERYONE CAN BE BEATEN…EVERYONE..in 3 years brock will be just that much better and so will FEDOR but there is a point where like the the Couture fight that Strenght, Speed Athletic ability along with wrestling and MMA skills cannot be matched…and thats where Lesnar can beat Fedor with his Strenght,Speed, wrestling and his devolping MMA skills but right now i would give him a chance against him but in 2-3 years it would be more of an even match in my eyes. Bottom line both are great fighters one has proven himself and one is just starting too but they all had to start from the bottom or from square 1…the likelhood of a fedor vs lesnar match is far away especially right but did you ever think that M-1 is putting this out NOW for the fact they know that in 2-3 years Brock will much more of a threat to any fighter.

]]> By: Tim http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-28488 Tim Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:02:36 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-28488 Fedor 24 you nailed it as well...good points i think brocks time in WWE dealing with 300 plus days of traveling and drama etc.. will actually help him in his MMA career meaning he has already been through everything he possibly could from contract disputes to personal reasons to stress of traveling to BS crap going on and definetly the MEDIA Attention both good and bad. Fedor 24 you nailed it as well…good points i think brocks time in WWE dealing with 300 plus days of traveling and drama etc.. will actually help him in his MMA career meaning he has already been through everything he possibly could from contract disputes to personal reasons to stress of traveling to BS crap going on and definetly the MEDIA Attention both good and bad.

]]> By: Jake http://www.cagetoday.com/m-1-make-the-case-for-fedor-emelianenko-vs-brock-lesnar/comment-page-1/#comment-28474 Jake Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:12:29 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=5498#comment-28474 I am not a Lesner fan at all. I think he is a pompous ass with the worst tattoo ever. But what has he done wrong? Everybody bitches about how little the UFC pays so why wouldn't he take this fight? Didn't GSP fight for the belt in his 3rd UFC fight? Didn't Anderson Silva fight for the belt in his 2nd UFC fight? Didn't Randy couture win the Belt in his 4th fight? Didn't Matt Hughes win the belt in his 4th UFC fight? Why is Brock being held to a different standard? This is something that the UFC does. It isn't new , it has happened a lot in recent history. If Brock wins his next 10 fights does it really matter how inexperienced he was when he won it? I am not a Lesner fan at all. I think he is a pompous ass with the worst tattoo ever.

But what has he done wrong?

Everybody bitches about how little the UFC pays so why wouldn’t he take this fight?

Didn’t GSP fight for the belt in his 3rd UFC fight?

Didn’t Anderson Silva fight for the belt in his 2nd UFC fight?

Didn’t Randy couture win the Belt in his 4th fight?

Didn’t Matt Hughes win the belt in his 4th UFC fight?

Why is Brock being held to a different standard? This is something that the UFC does. It isn’t new , it has happened a lot in recent history.

If Brock wins his next 10 fights does it really matter how inexperienced he was when he won it?

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