Comments on: Affliction: Banned – The Battle of the Giants? http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:39:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Nichole Lesniak http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15834 Nichole Lesniak Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:50:53 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15834 Wow...I knew this would create some drama in here :) I may have downplayed Sylvia's skill, but that's because it was a comparison piece. Comparing Sylvia to Fedor is like comparing Eli Manning to Peyton. Yeah, the former is good...but not nearly as good as the latter. And just an FYI Deakson - there were no discrepancies in my article. I stated a combination of facts and opinions. All my facts were 100% correct. Wow…I knew this would create some drama in here :)

I may have downplayed Sylvia’s skill, but that’s because it was a comparison piece. Comparing Sylvia to Fedor is like comparing Eli Manning to Peyton. Yeah, the former is good…but not nearly as good as the latter.

And just an FYI Deakson – there were no discrepancies in my article. I stated a combination of facts and opinions. All my facts were 100% correct.

]]> By: Ryan S http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15833 Ryan S Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:08:31 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15833 It's really respectful for all of you to be having this debate in the manner you are. It's not getting out of control and filled with cursing as if Steve was in this debate. I think the reason Sylvia's fights are so boring is because he likes to stand, only, and Like someone else said, he jabs his way to a victory. All the Sylvia fights I have seen have been slow paced and everytime he gets to the ground, he scrambles to get back up and jab away. It seems to me that he has gotten comfortable using his reach advantage and anything else is kind of foreign to him. With Nog, it seemed like he was trying to set up Tim to turn it into a ground fight, and that's why he was being dominated. All in all, I like Nichole's articles as well and how hot is it that a woman knows this much about mma and enjoys it? It’s really respectful for all of you to be having this debate in the manner you are. It’s not getting out of control and filled with cursing as if Steve was in this debate. I think the reason Sylvia’s fights are so boring is because he likes to stand, only, and Like someone else said, he jabs his way to a victory. All the Sylvia fights I have seen have been slow paced and everytime he gets to the ground, he scrambles to get back up and jab away. It seems to me that he has gotten comfortable using his reach advantage and anything else is kind of foreign to him. With Nog, it seemed like he was trying to set up Tim to turn it into a ground fight, and that’s why he was being dominated.

All in all, I like Nichole’s articles as well and how hot is it that a woman knows this much about mma and enjoys it?

]]> By: Deakson http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15776 Deakson Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:26:51 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15776 I think Jordan and I are only trying to have friendly open discussions about MMA, not to disrespect or insult. Everyone has different opinions and views in the sport and what he was saying before was merely pointing out discrepancies in Nicole's article, not bad mouthing her at all. I think Jordan and I are only trying to have friendly open discussions about MMA, not to disrespect or insult. Everyone has different opinions and views in the sport and what he was saying before was merely pointing out discrepancies in Nicole’s article, not bad mouthing her at all.

]]> By: Deakson http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15775 Deakson Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:24:49 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15775 PooPoo and Nicole, I Understand where you are coming from as Fedor is arguably the best fighter on the planet right now but I also agree strongly with Jordan. Tim Sylvia is criticized for having boring fights, that's only because he uses his physical attributes combined with his skill to his advantage, a good fighter must find a way to overcome that advantage and since the majority of his boring fights (record being 24-4) he has won that tells me that many of the top competitors he has faced have not been able to figure out a sure fire way to beat him. With his impressive list of victories over elite fighters that Jordan mentioned earlier I think it is hard to say that Sylvia is not in the top ten HW, I don't believe 24 wins come all by fluke. Furthermore all though I do agree with both of you that Fedor is clearly the favorite and in all likelihood will win, I still find it hard to believe that you blatantly ignore Sylvia's skill with his diverse striking equipped with solid leg kicks and a power jab along with his good take down defense and impressive grappling. Tim Sylvia may not be the best heavyweight out there, but he has certainly proved himself to be a top fighter and serious threat within the division. PooPoo and Nicole, I Understand where you are coming from as Fedor is arguably the best fighter on the planet right now but I also agree strongly with Jordan. Tim Sylvia is criticized for having boring fights, that’s only because he uses his physical attributes combined with his skill to his advantage, a good fighter must find a way to overcome that advantage and since the majority of his boring fights (record being 24-4) he has won that tells me that many of the top competitors he has faced have not been able to figure out a sure fire way to beat him. With his impressive list of victories over elite fighters that Jordan mentioned earlier I think it is hard to say that Sylvia is not in the top ten HW, I don’t believe 24 wins come all by fluke. Furthermore all though I do agree with both of you that Fedor is clearly the favorite and in all likelihood will win, I still find it hard to believe that you blatantly ignore Sylvia’s skill with his diverse striking equipped with solid leg kicks and a power jab along with his good take down defense and impressive grappling. Tim Sylvia may not be the best heavyweight out there, but he has certainly proved himself to be a top fighter and serious threat within the division.

]]> By: roy http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15773 roy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:03:00 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15773 yeah jordan thats what where here for to discuss and sometimes disagree,dosn't mean who's wrong or right and i didn'y see any disrespect i enjoy nicholes writing as well. yeah jordan thats what where here for to discuss and sometimes disagree,dosn’t mean who’s wrong or right and i didn’y see any disrespect i enjoy nicholes writing as well.

]]> By: PooPooPlatter http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15769 PooPooPlatter Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:49:04 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15769 Heavy weight division is weak and has been for a long time. I'd like to go back to the old days when Vovchanchyn, Kerr and Coleman were in their prime. (yeah, yeah I know.. drugs were a big problem back then, but they were real heavy weights). Fedor is the one of them too. Hopefully the UFC's bet on Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez will pay off because the heavy weight division needs it! An idea... How about you and Nichole in the cage to duke it out? You can give Nichole a handicap - one arm tied behind the back? Maybe that will settle this once and for all? LOL Heavy weight division is weak and has been for a long time. I’d like to go back to the old days when Vovchanchyn, Kerr and Coleman were in their prime. (yeah, yeah I know.. drugs were a big problem back then, but they were real heavy weights). Fedor is the one of them too.

Hopefully the UFC’s bet on Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez will pay off because the heavy weight division needs it!

An idea… How about you and Nichole in the cage to duke it out? You can give Nichole a handicap – one arm tied behind the back? Maybe that will settle this once and for all? LOL

]]> By: Jordan Katz http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15768 Jordan Katz Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:31:47 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15768 I'm sorry you feel that way PooPoo. There is no disrespect intended towards Nichole, I have often times agreed with her articles and always enjoy reading them. And to be honest, I think it's important to defend fighters like Tim Sylvia. Too often their skills are overlooked, because of their boring styles or abrasive personalities. The only point I was attempting to make, was that Sylvia is an elite heavyweight, with a variety of skills that I felt were overlooked in the article. Although not likely, I believe Sylvia has more of a chance to beat Fedor than many people give him credit for. Opinions may differ, but if we are all respectful in the manner in which we discuss them, then I encourage negative or positive feedback towards my writing and opinions. Lastly PooPoo, Couture's 16-8 record doesn't jump out at people. But as a two division champion, with wins over Tim Sylvia, Gabriel Gonzaga (two heavyweights generally considered in the top 10), Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Pedro Rizzo, Kevin Randelman, and Vitor Belfort, he truly is one of the best MMA fighters of all-time. I’m sorry you feel that way PooPoo. There is no disrespect intended towards Nichole, I have often times agreed with her articles and always enjoy reading them.

And to be honest, I think it’s important to defend fighters like Tim Sylvia. Too often their skills are overlooked, because of their boring styles or abrasive personalities.

The only point I was attempting to make, was that Sylvia is an elite heavyweight, with a variety of skills that I felt were overlooked in the article. Although not likely, I believe Sylvia has more of a chance to beat Fedor than many people give him credit for.

Opinions may differ, but if we are all respectful in the manner in which we discuss them, then I encourage negative or positive feedback towards my writing and opinions.

Lastly PooPoo, Couture’s 16-8 record doesn’t jump out at people. But as a two division champion, with wins over Tim Sylvia, Gabriel Gonzaga (two heavyweights generally considered in the top 10), Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Pedro Rizzo, Kevin Randelman, and Vitor Belfort, he truly is one of the best MMA fighters of all-time.

]]> By: PooPooPlatter http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15762 PooPooPlatter Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:10:18 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15762 Nichole - I reread your post and it is obvious that Jordan did paint the picture that Tim was a "top", "dominant" or whatever other word or phrase he'd like to say he didn't use. He got all in a tizzy defending Tim. It's kind of funny. Jordan - You seem to be grasping for anything available at this point. "herniated disc", "nobody thought Choi-Hong Man COULD beat Fedor". BTW - it's Hong Man Choi, Mr. Know- It-All. And Ricco was NOT in his prime n 2003. Far from it! 3 straight losses that year! You state: "and by the way you describe Randy, “is in his 40’s and has a 15-8 record,” you make it sound as if he is not one of the best fighters of all-time" He is a 15-8 fighter. That is not a good record by any stretch. Wake up man! Randy is extremely likable, has a huge heart and he beat a goof ball Sylvia when he was an underdog-old man in his 40's. It all happened at a time when everyone was tried of seeing Sylvia use his enormous arms to jab his way to victory against mediocre opponents. Vera - blah, Monson - blah! Arlovski hasn't been worth talking about in years! I hover on these threads from time to time. I think this site is getting better and better. Is it me or does Jordan disagree with Nichole just to disagree with her? Sure seems that way to me! Nichole –

I reread your post and it is obvious that Jordan did paint the picture that Tim was a “top”, “dominant” or whatever other word or phrase he’d like to say he didn’t use. He got all in a tizzy defending Tim. It’s kind of funny.

Jordan –

You seem to be grasping for anything available at this point. “herniated disc”, “nobody thought Choi-Hong Man COULD beat Fedor”. BTW – it’s Hong Man Choi, Mr. Know- It-All. And Ricco was NOT in his prime n 2003. Far from it! 3 straight losses that year!

You state:

“and by the way you describe Randy, “is in his 40’s and has a 15-8 record,” you make it sound as if he is not one of the best fighters of all-time”

He is a 15-8 fighter. That is not a good record by any stretch. Wake up man! Randy is extremely likable, has a huge heart and he beat a goof ball Sylvia when he was an underdog-old man in his 40’s. It all happened at a time when everyone was tried of seeing Sylvia use his enormous arms to jab his way to victory against mediocre opponents. Vera – blah, Monson – blah! Arlovski hasn’t been worth talking about in years!

I hover on these threads from time to time. I think this site is getting better and better. Is it me or does Jordan disagree with Nichole just to disagree with her? Sure seems that way to me!

]]> By: roy http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15736 roy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:43:49 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15736 good stuff jordan, i agree with you on tim being let go do to other reasons outside of his fighting skills he is a highly ranked fighter. good stuff jordan, i agree with you on tim being let go do to other reasons outside of his fighting skills he is a highly ranked fighter.

]]> By: steve http://www.cagetoday.com/affliction-banned-%e2%80%93-the-battle-of-the-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-15729 steve Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:29:15 +0000 http://www.cagetoday.com/?p=2718#comment-15729 Kom I, like how you said Sylvia doesnt have the hands. I personally feel the same way. He has the reach yes but Fedor is SO much faster then Sylvia and also I feel that he is so much better in every aspect of the stand up. Fedor has power and incredible accuracy with his strkes. Yeah Tim kicks and Fedor reallly dont but Fedor has a highlight reel of not knockouts but knckdowns. And also he has pieced up about every fighter he has faced and one thing is for sure RANDY could never outstike or takedown and lay on FEDOR for 25 minutes straight. Kom I, like how you said Sylvia doesnt have the hands. I personally feel the same way. He has the reach yes but Fedor is SO much faster then Sylvia and also I feel that he is so much better in every aspect of the stand up. Fedor has power and incredible accuracy with his strkes. Yeah Tim kicks and Fedor reallly dont but Fedor has a highlight reel of not knockouts but knckdowns. And also he has pieced up about every fighter he has faced and one thing is for sure RANDY could never outstike or takedown and lay on FEDOR for 25 minutes straight.

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