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this should be a good one i hope anyway. since this will probably be afflictions last card then the ufc needs to sign both of these 2 fighters as well as Belfort before strikforce snaps em up.
They have been saying that "this will probably be Affliction's last card" before all three events. Why?
from the start they said they would do 3 shows and see what happens after that, even though they lost money they kept there word and gave us 3 great shows and unfortunatly that will probally be it, but be thankfull for the 3 they gave us.
GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY THIS IS THE WORST CARD THEY HAVE EVER HAD..I think the Main Event is sucks..
Josh B is a StOIRD USE and thays why he was fighting in Japan because its cool over hahaha
Fador does have a badass Record but i think he should be fighting in the UFC..
I totally disagree with you tom most hardcore fans have been waiting for Fedor Vs Barnett for year and years.
Both of them are ranked higher than Mir, Randy, Nog, And brock.
After Fedor Beats Barnett it will be his 6th Ufc champion he has beaten plus mirko was the grand prix tourny winner in pride. thats is nuts. People can hate on fedor all they want but nobody can deny that great feat.
Word to the wise…Those Fighters that he beat are from the UFC and got there name from the UFC…While Fedor may have beaten them with all due respect it came out of the octogon which CroCrop will tell is a much different fighting enviroment than a freaking ring…Every person from Pride that came over to the UFC said the Octogon took some time to get used to…Now with all things considered Fedor is one the best but ask yourself why wont he step foot in the UFC…maybe its because he is afraid of the OCTOGON ENVIROMENT and being in a new unestalblished place where he knows is uncomfortable for him…Come on Fedor has never fought in the Octogon from what i understand and frankly i think that is the reason why he wont come to the UFC on top of money reasons is because of the Octogon and he is very very comfortable where he is at right now fighting in boxing rings…come you can take the best Cat out his enviroment and very few will adapt to their surroundings instantaneously….you see there are things in the Ring that you cant do in the Octogon..the space is much smaller and your very limited to how you can fight a fight your game plan has to change completely to an extent.
After Fedor beat another UFC vet in his enviroment…He should come to UFC and fight Octogon style and prove that he can beat the best of the best in any enviroment.
While many will say he doesnt need to prove anything..well sure but if you want to be considered the best you have to face the best at every level and in every aspect of the sport from backyards to rings to cages to the Octogon.
Now honestly i dont know if Fedor has ever fought in an octogon style cage but he hasnt then i stay true to my comments above and if he has well then he should still come to the UFC and fight to face better competition as i would love to see him face some of the current UFC champs and up and comers.
better comp? barnett is #2 on every ranking that i have seen.i would like him to go to the ufc but really whats there?
nog- done that in his prime
carwin-one good win and i think gabe would beat him 7 out of 10
kongo-joke he lost to gilbert
cain-might be good still unproven
gabe-good fight but would lose after the 2nd round
dos santos-have you heard of houston? he still has to prove himself
outside of ufc there is still
and a rematch with aa along with some other up and comers and old names.
tom your comment is so weak i will just say arn't you a big sherk fan and you want to talk about steroids.
Fedors style would work better in the octagon imo. he hardly ever does head stomps or kicks to a downed opponent and having fedor on top of u elbowing u in the face when ur smashed up against the cage is a scary thought.
It's well known that the UFC wont let fedor fight in the sambo championships if he signs an exclusive contract with the ufc. Sambo is way more important to him than the ufc. Sambo is what made him the legend and star that he is in russia. If he signed a contract that said he wouldnt fight in Sambo all of his russian fans would shit a brick. Surely you can understand that. Its like asking Mayweather to sign a contract to fight in the ufc saying he can never box. Sambo is his love and i dont blame him at all for not wanting to be baned from it. Dana white is the moron in this deal. he needs to realize what fedor is and Give him a contract that he deserves. Fedor is unbeaten and has the best record in mma. He should be paid whatever the hell he wants and he should be able to do sambo. I wanna see him in the ufc too but make no mistake. Fedor IS ans HAS been ranked the number 1 heavyweight in the world for a reason.
Good point Tim – look how many Pride fighters came over and lost their first fight in the UFC.
Roy awesome post totally correct
dane – First and foremost Dana is a businessman. If you are paying someone to work for you, you don't want them getting hurt when they're working their "side job". If Fedor got hurt doing Sambo, that could very possibly cost Dana in the long run. He's not a moron at all, he wants to protect his investment.
Look at the pride fighters that didnt do so great when they came over
Shogun- was injured, and usually won his fights by head stomps and kicks to a downed opponent
Wand- Is past his prime, and usually won his fights by head stomps and kicks to a downed opponent
Cro Cop- Is past his prime, and usually won his fights by Cutting off and cornering his opponent with kicks.
The ones who did good
Henderson- He is doing all right because he is a great grappler and clinch fighter
Rampage- did great because he is a great boxer and awesome wrestler
Nog- He won the interum heavy championship. Fedor has beatwen him badly 3 times.
Fedor- Would be in this category because he is an awesome Grapler and isnt known for his kick boxing which favors the ring. He has awesome hands and that would be affected about the same as rampage. Justy look how Nog did fedor fights like nog but is way better in every category.
your so right dane, fedor real was the best gnp fighter ever and great subs now his hands are better too but he would be great in a cage and all the pride fighters not doing good is straight up bs.
nichole fedor once killed a bear with nothing but his hands. he doesnt get injured he is terminator. He's the russian answer to Captain America. And if someone beat him in sambo the ufc could sign that person and make him a star aswell. I dont think the ufc is worrying about him getting injured their fighters are getting injured all the time. Dana wonts entire control and his ego is too big to make an exception. If he lets fedor get lee way on his contract he is afraidf everyone will want the same.
wandy- was already losing in pride before coming over
shogun-no acl and 2 acl recon. now is looking good and fighting for the title
nog-past his prime did ok at first and still will win a few more fights
rampage-was champ and lost one debatable fight
cro-cop- the only one that did not do good
machida(not pride but japan and ring)-champ
ps these guys lost fights in pride did you expect them to win every fight in the ufc?
dane – Fedor is not a god, he is human. And you don't see UFC fighters fighting in other organizations for a reason. It's a conflict of interest.
Not to mention, I don't see Fedor clamoring to get into the UFC either.
your right he is human but he is equal to a jordon or gretsky in his sport just ahead of the rest, someday someone will catch up to him just not yet.
why should he clamor to get in the ufc? he is ranked the number 1 heavyweight on every poll, has beaten everyone who has come across him, is looked at as an icon in Russia for his Sambo, and is making bank everywhere he goes? He doesnt need the UFC.
So then what do you care if Dana signs him?
It would make all his haters shut up
Again as much respect i have for Fedor and no matter how good of a record you have your will never ever be considered the best and prove to be the best unless you fight in the MAJORS of MMA the UFC where th Octogon lives wild and has changed so many careers and made careers.
Its kinda like this if you can follow me….You play good and win titles in all levels of your sport except the cream of the crop and the hardest to win one in, you may have a hall of fame career elsewhere but you wont be considered the best of the best in all of your sport until you win a title in the cream of the crop.
Example..Dan Marino great quarterback won titles in lower levels of football but never won a super bowl, that will always hurt him and his legacy for never winning won..Now i understand thats a team sport but same concept.
Fedor by many will be considered the best ever…while others will be say he is the best outside the UFC…FACT be this…Fedor has never beaten those former champs in the octogon therefore you cant say he is the best…the octogon is a much different evnviroment then what he is used to…Fedor likes to back up and fight and when he is getting hit he backs up about 4 steps…problem in the octogon is you cant back up like that you have to back up just a bit otherwise your against the cage per say and you a have to circle and while your circling the other UFC fighters will catch you offguard cause you not used to that enviroment and no training can prepare you for the octogon only by trial and error…Bottom line you can say what you want Fedor is the best outside the UFC because he doesnt fight in the octogon but he fights in a ring…it would be a different story if he has fought most of his fights in a cage but he hasnt and for that you can not say he is the worlds best you can only speculate what could be…there is a major difference between a ring and the octogon besides the rule changes….big big difference and while i think fedor could adapt i honestly think he knows deep down he would start losing in the UFC/cage world and he doesnt want to damage his career not to mention his sambo stuff…Fedor wants millions per fight to fight in the UFC and a negotiable contract…problem is the UFC doesnt need Fedor…if anything Fedor needs the UFC…take that for what you want but remember no matter how good you are there is always someone better than you…end of story!!!
with that NFL analogy Fedor would be Like a team that everytime a team wins the superbowl they then go face him and get beaten lol.
the Sports analogy's dont really work for MMA imo because 1 like you said its not a team sport and 2 a loss in mma is a lot different than a loss in say the NBA. The Championship team in the NBA can lose a lot of games and still be champion.
MMA is more like boxing in that you are the champ till someone beats you. And nobody's done that to fedor yet.
Tim, you are trying way too hard to discredit Fedor. You are buying into the politics and excellent marketing that is the UFC. While I agree that the UFC has the most talent in the world, the bottom line is their Heavyweights suck and everyone knows it. They have the next best thing in the Light Heavyweight division but heavyweights will always be the biggest draw. Fedor is the most dominate fighter in MMA right now and they are missing out. It's not Fedor's fault and he is clearly not asking for too much when you see what he is getting paid at Affliction. With exception of a few hardcore UFC fanatics like yourself, most people would concede that Fedor doesn't need the UFC as much as the UFC needs him. Dana is a freaking classless moron and should not be in the position he is in. He is screwing it up for the rest of us becuase of his ego.
I'm gonna be honest in the fact that I don't know a whole lot about fedor. Here's what I do know; He's only technically lost once, for some ungodly reason dana white hates the guy, he's been avoiding the ufc like the plague, he's fought a lot of ex-ufc champs. Here's what I understand; he's one of the most controversial fighters in mma (next to Lesnar), and from the looks of it the ufc fighters he's fought were all kinda burn-outs. Mark Coleman, Tim Sylvia, AA, Cro-Cop, and then he beat Nog 3 times before he even joined the ufc and beat heath herring. None of those guys have been doin too great as of late. I'm gonna say right now that it's not just ufc's heavyweight division that's slow, I'm gonna say there just isn't a whole lot of incentive to fight heavyweight in mma right now. Like other's pointed out earlier, the heavyweights are all looking very underwhelming right now. Even Josh Barnett doesn't excite me. Who's he beaten? Nogueira? Seems like everyone's doin that these days. Randy Couture? I'm gonna say this. Couture shouldn't fight heavyweights….There I said it. He does SO much better at 205 it isn't even funny. Back on topic, Barnett lost to Cro-Cop 3 damned times. So I'm going to go as far as to say the entirety of heavyweights are pretty boring to me save these 3 names: Mir(he's looking more and more solid nowadays, Brock 2 will be the real test), Lesnar(even haters give this guy props), and Fedor. That said, it seems like a mutual dislike between fedor and white, so I honestly doubt that we will ever see that dream come true. I'm not on one side or the other of the fedor wars, I think I'm pretty dead center and if anyone can correct me about fedors wins over ufc burnouts and has-beens please be my guest. I just haven't heard of him fighting someone coming out of the ufc on a win or multiple wins.
when fedor beat Cro Cop, Randleman, And Nog 3 times they were all in their prime. He owned Arona who was around top 5 in 205 at the time. He owned Arlovski when he was ranked #2 heavyweight in the world. Sylvia was owned about a year after he lost the championship. He owned matt lindland who was a top 5 middleweight at the time. He owned all 350 pounds of Hong Man Choi who is clumsy but has a good kickboxing record. I think the only champion who was burnt out when he beat him was Mark coleman but mark coleman has been old for like 40 years. lol
i agree with you 100 percent Shaka Zulu … well put my man
Shaka Zulu thats fine that you think that. A lot of people think that but like you said you dont know that much about fedor.Like Dane Drebin said. He is the most dominant HW fighter of all times. There is no question about it. He completly owned the Pride HW division which was the cream of the crop back then. I really cant give Lesnar all too many props besides the fact that he is a freak and im not gonna call him a freak of nature either. B/c we all know he roided up to get that big. Frank Mir is looking better and better but I saw Frank Mir destroy him badly. Im still not sold on him being able to dominate the HW division. And even if he beats Lesnar its not gonna help me think he is the top guy besides fedor. Do I think he could beat Carwin? Do I think Carwin is still unproven? Is Cain Velasquez gonna be able to step up and be a top contender like he is suppose to? The HW division is a mess and all the great fighters have lost and had their ups and downs besides 1 guy who has fought 31 TIMES. Thats a lot of fights and has NEVER really been beat. Fedor seems to be the only sure thing about the HW division and Fedor isnt joining the UFC b/c he
1. Makes more money outside of the ufc
2. doesnt want to be owned by the org. he works for.
3. Wants to compete in sambo championships in Russia which the ufc wont allow him to compete in if they sign with him.
I am just like you guys in the fact that I wouldnt mind seeing fedor fight in the ufc. I would love it. But it seems like I want him to join to see him fight more and most of you guys just dont know what he can do and you want to see if he is really as good as he is hyped up. Thats the difference. I know he is a beast where as most fans dont.
Wow I saw Vera destory Mir badly. Not Mir destroy Mir lol.
I like how Tim says "no training can prepare you for the octogon only by trial and error"…That's not true. All he has to do is take his training inside of an octogon and continue to train. To think that he doesn't have the tactical thought process to make his style work in a confined octogon to his advantage is just stupid. As a matter of fact, I don't think it would take him much time at all to figure out many different scenarios along the fence.
You're speaking like the ancient MMA philosopher Assbeatacles.
I'm a huge Fedor fan, but I'm so tired of people taunting him like he's the second coming of Christ.
Fedor would not do well in the Octogon. He doesn't do well when you can cut down the ring and back him into a corner.
I think this will be Fedor's toughest fight, yet, and a chance to go the distance. Barnett is top-notch. I think Fedor will still win in the end, but if Arlovski can look good for 3 minutes against Fedor, then someone with Barnett's skills should be able to take Fedor deeper into the fight than anyone's been able to in years. Fedor hasn't come close to sniffing a Round 3 since 05, but I think Barnett can do it. Not win. But take him deep and put up a good fight.
lol Nichole ur sick of people taunting fedor? ya im sick of people making fun of him too
Dane, you're a douche. You're really not making any friends this week. You know what Nichole meant.
i was just messing with her because shes a writter loosin up and stop being so butt hurt over me callin u out on a stupid statement on a different post.
I guess you're not sick of me then, because I wasn't making fun of him either. The truth just hurts.
I agree with most everything you said in post number 27 exept for when you said "I know he is a beast where as most fans dont." Most fans do know he is a beast. That is made perfectkly clear when you look at all of the pound for pound rankings generated by all of the various media organizations and fans. You have to understand that the UFC is one of the best at marketing their organization in all of sports.
The problem I have with them and Dana White, is that they do it by hurting the sport on occasion…and White not signing Fedor is a perfect example. White has put down every other company, promotion, and fighter who isn't part of the UFC n a regular basis.
So don't worry about the so-called MMA fans who think that Anderon Silva is the pound for pound best or for those who think Fedor shouldn't be considered great until he fights in the UFC. They have been sucked into the UFC spell and don't have a clue about what goes on outside. How many times on this very website have we seen "fans" say that they haven't seen Fedor fight yet? Or that they don't know much about him? That would have been like someone in the late 80's and early 90's saying that they were huge boxing fans but don't know much about that Tyson guy.
Fedor is the most dominate fighter in MMA and probably of all time. Anyone who can't aknowlege this fact is clearly not a fan of MMA but merely a fan of Spike TV and the UFC. Fortunately, most people who call themselves fans know this. The ones who don't, are just missing out on a great sport.
Dude, you can't hurt my feelings. you're just a douche. Plain and simple. I still think the same thing, and you're not going to change my thoughts by calling people stupid who don't agree with you. No point to argue with a child like you, who has a small brain, so I'll stop here. You prove all my points by continuously being a dick to people. It's a lonely life you must live, and I feel sorry for you. Maybe you'll grow up someday, I hope. It'll be better for you, but if you don't, it won't be any sweat of my brow.
Oh, yeah, and just so you know, Nichole isn't a "writter" she's a "writer." For someone who makes fun of other people's spelling errors you should read your own ignorant postings. hahaha.
it was a joke chill out man i didnt call her any names or try to hurt her feelings i thought she'd think it was funny. Youre the one who gets beligerant over stupid as stuff.
Youre not making any friends Dane
Youre a lonely person Dane
blah blah blah so annyoing. you have no idea who I am and i have no idea who you are. we dont agree on mma it doesnt mean i know anything about you. Looks like you are the one resluting to name calling to prove your points. I have cursed a few times and said ur thoughts on middleweight being better than 205 was stupid which it was and most everyoe agreed with me. But im just a douche bag what do i know hahahaha
I'm glad you finally realize what you are. hahaha. Thanks for admitting it. maybe you'll learn to read and write next. hahaha.
Dave – what about the people who are actually educated in MMA, watch other organizations, and still don't put Fedor on a pedestal and are actually realistic about Dana White?
i dont really care wat u think about me Cobra. everyone else i get into arguements with on here might say something mean but also actually talk about MMA aswell. Im a douche bag because i dont think you know anything about mma and it shows when you say stupid shit like 205's one of the weakest divisions. All you talk about is how u feel about me and how mean i am its pretty wierd so until i see u write something about mma im not going to even ackowledge your childish posts.
Dude, stop crying. Seriously. You're starting to embarrass yourself even more. Just let it go, and you'll be OK.
Fedor isn't clamoring to get into the UFC, so what, would you if you were getting paid more money than in the ufc and able to compete in a sport you love?!
1) Fedor gets paid more in Affliction.
2) Fedor has the best record in MMA.
3) Fedor gets to fight in the sambo tournies with Affliction.
Right, so who cares that Dana isn't signing him?
i don't really care, if he beats barnett i would rather see him fight overeem.
I've read your posts and have no idea where you're coming from. Is it "putting Fedor on a pedestal" by saying he is the most dominate fighter in MMA? And what is it to be "realistic" about Dana White? Can you give me an example of anyone else in a similar posistion in any other major sports who acts like an angry teenager the way he does? Exactly, he is clearly hurting the sport of late and this whole Fedor issue is a perfect example.
I agree with Dana on NOT signing Fedor for one super-fight. I think it only helps Fedor more than it helps the UFC. The UFC keeps growing and growing without Fedor. If Fedor wants in, then he has to make a serious long-term and exclusive commitment. Otherwise, it's just being a sponsored showcase for Fedor so he can go make money elsewhere. Why should Dana do that? He shouldn't.
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