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I don't think Fedor should sign for just one fight in the UFC either. But I do think it would help the UFC more than Fedor. The UFC's glaring weakness has been their heavywieghts. If they could bring in Fedor for a multifight deal, it would be huge for them. Right now, they are relying on their light heavyweights for most of their big cards. What would Fedor get out of this, more respect for his legacy? Who cares, like I said, most logical MMA fans aknowlege that he is the best already. Does he really need to beat Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir to be considered the best?
Dave, I think that's the impasse that everyone is at. Each party thinks it's better for the OTHER party and not for them. So, I think we'll probably never see it happen…at least not in Fedor's prime.
Technically speaking Fedor does not have the best record in MMA…a loss is a loss and i believe there are alot of fighters out there who have still have not lost a fight and are your know 5-0, 10-0 15-0, 16-0 the great Machida….
Not to mention if your using his 32 fights as a base i know of plenty of fighters who have 32 plus wins and minimal loss Matt hughs etc…and someone with over 100 fights Jeremy Horn etc…and over 80 plus wins so to tell me he has the best record is purely only in insult to all the other fighters who do have overall a better record due to having have fought more times than Fedor probably ever will in his career. You can not base a fighter on just his record as that cant be debated by every mean…I am not a Fedor HATER….i base facts on facts and Fedor is one the best fighters ever but THE BEST fighter ever as some has called him is far from the truth….think what you want but true MMA lovers will realize you can not call a fighter the best or best ever until his career is over as i hate to say it but i can nominate many others for this award as well…but again you base him on mainly his record and that is in insult to all other great MMA fighters and hall of famers who made this sport what it is today and current and future stars.
Bottom line Fedor is great but i truly believe he would perish in the Octogon…Arlovski was winning that fight until he made a dumb mistake and props to Fedor and recognizing that and dominating like he does. No questions asked.
But iimage AA in the octogon doing what he wa doing against Fedor…now that would be intersting as Fedor couldnt back track 20 paces to the corner he would be stuck to throw down with a better boxer.
Many have said it a great boxer and overall decent MMA fighter would dominate Fedor in the Octogon purely on the fact Fedor relies on his ability to circle and back track and pick his targets…all that changes in the octogon.
I am not saying he couldnt win but i am saying it would not be that easy and it would be intersting to see him fight in the UFC and a change of scenery from the ring where he has dominated.
My analogies were meant to be taken as logical mindsetting thoughts not realistic and some of you have taken those literally..NO SHIT MMA isnt a Team sport but use the analogy and it will work with whatever you do.
If you fight in one area of the sport but never fight all the areas of your sport you can never be called the best or the greatest as you have yet to proven yourself. Thats a Fact up and until then its only speculation and as much as i consider Fedor one of the best he is merely speculation at this point as being the best ever.
Remember Someone is always better than you.
I realized i contradicted myself, what i meant to say is while i consider Fedor one of the Best ever, you cant consider him the GREATEST or the freaking Savior of MMA.
its open for debate but he was voted the best ever in the history of mma already and if you ask any fighter its almost always fedor that they say is the best, and thats good enough for me.
I just don't understand why you have to try so hard to discount Fedor's accomplishments. If you want to get technical with the records, Fedor's only blemish on his record came about ten years ago because of an elbow that cut him over the eye 6 seconds into the fight. The reason why it isn't considered by most to be legit is because elbows were illegal in that particular format. So essentially to most people he is undefeated. You can speculate all you want about how he would do in the Octogon but I think it is ridiculous to assume that he would "perish". Fedor was backed into the corner when he K.O.ed Arlovski. If he really felt like he needed to he would do what he does best and that is take down the guy and submit them. He is way too well rounded to make such outlandish assumptions with regards to the octogon. Besides, if you want me to, I will go ahead and make a list of UFC guys who have gone over to fight in a ring and gotten their asses handed to them. i.e. Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, etc..
Cobra Clutch – I totally agree with that. I am not optimistic about Fedor foighting in the UFC while he is still in his prime.
Dave is right…Fedor's "loss" should have been a "no contest." I don't think anyone who knows that situation considers it a true loss. Regardless if Fedor is THE number one pound-for-pound or just in the Top 10, he's definitely one of the best, no doubt. He's not the second coming, but his accomplishments can't be denied. I think until someone beats him I'll put him as my #1 overall, right now.
good stuff dave i agree, your dead right about the striking too he was never really a standup fighter but he beat aa at his own game if people think he would lose to great strikers go look at the cro cop and semmy fights.
Dana White Says He Sees Fedor Coming To The UFC Someday
Date Added: May 29, 2009
Story By: Will Hengelbrok
UFC President Dana White talks to Edgeboston.com about the chances of Fedor someday fighting in the UFC:
“I would never cross-promote. Regarding Fedor, he either wants to come over and fight here or he doesn’t. If he came over and wanted to fight I’d do a deal with him in a minute. You know we’ve been chasing him since we bought Pride. In my opinion, I think it’s going to happen. He’d be crazy not to. I mean, why not? He’ll come over here and make a bunch of money and maybe even win the title and go down in history as the greatest heavyweight ever. The problem is it’s one thing for everyone to say it, I mean I can say, “Brock is the greatest heavyweight ever” but they have got to fight. It’s the only way to find out. We can argue about it all day but in the end you just have got to get out there and fight.”
Again you post records Who gives a shit as i have stated Matt Hughes has a better overall record then Fedor ever will same with Jeremy Horm and his 80 plus wins and over 100 fights…Come on stop with the Record shit sure Fedor is technically undefeated okay so he is 32-0 in the virtual world of yours but Jeremy Horm is 80-19-5 and could very well be considered one of the best ever as well…My point being stop with the records as until Fedor fights that many fights and wins all or most His reord is impressive but no where near the likes of greatest fighter in the world to ever live as when you have people like Horn, Hughes, Sobral etc…who have fought 50 plus times and have won over 80% of them, that is something to be called one of the best ever for.
I see your point on Fedor being great i just dont think he is the best there was and ever will be like most of you are saying he is..you treat him as if he were a God…
Everything is specualtion until Fedor fights in the Octogon until then he hasnt beaten everyone nor has he proven he rains supreme in MMA world.
For everyone sake i hope he does figh in the octogon that way win or lose most everyone would shut up and this stupid argument would be over.
I am pro Fedor i think he is great, i just think he is not the best out there as in my opinion i think overall there are other fighters in different weight classes who are much better fighters overall in their prime career and when they were as well…Machida, GSP, Horn, Hughes, anderson Silva, Rampage…. just to name a few.
Sorry more to add…to extend not to just the UFC…AA,Barnett, Mike Brown, Torres, Faber etc…
And how could i forget Dan Severn 86-16-7 and
miguel torres 35-1.
Fedor obviously doesnt have the best record in MMA through 32 fights. sorry but Facts are facts.
i could see you compareing torres record as far as p4p but how can you bring up severn or horn when the majority of there wins are in back yard shows and they have plenty of loses(usually when in big shows) apples and oranges and fedor has beaten everyone he has faced your bringing up guys with plenty of loses.just face it tim he was already voted the best ever by fighters and people in the sport and please bring up someone with a better record no some one with loses off the top of my head you got machida with 15 wins very good but not 30 + wins the only one comparable as far as records is torres and i don't see any hw that is close.only people who buy into dana's bs beleave that he has to prove himself in the octagon.
Affliction to Continue its Events, Says Exec
Posted By jack | MMA News | May 31, 2009, 03:31 AM |
While Affliction executives have been forced to answer questions regarding the financial stability of the company from the time of the promotion's inception, Affliction COO Michael Cohen recently insisted the company is doing just fine.
Cohen recently told AOL FanHouse that nor only does he expect the company's third event, "Trilogy," to turn a profit, but that he could "assure" a fourth, fifth and sixth event.
"Affliction: Trilogy," featuring a long-awaited clash between Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett, takes place Aug. 1 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.
While Affliction's first two events have been star-studded affairs, the company's astronomical paydays have led many experts to predict demise for the organization.
January's "Day of Reckoning" awarded $3.3 million in paydays compared to just $1.4 million collected in ticket revenue. Likewise, the July 2008 event had an official purse of $3.3 million, while the live gat topped out at $2.1 million.
—So it seems Affliction is keeping it up but for how long shit they have already lost millions a while i understand you have to start somwhere…theres a time when you have to say is the losing millions worth the risk of having only1- 3 shows a year barely and not making profits…how many years is it going to take to turn a profit or break even…so far its been 2 years plus and only 3 shows and millions lost with a third show up and coming…i fuly believe this show will either break or make affliction MMA….in todays market they can not keep paying the fighters 3.3 Million payouts and only dragging in 1.2 or so…pay the fighters less and the profits will be reached then as you grow expand the salary base. Props to the fighters though…get what you can while its there…
Arffliction will not last if they keep this up.
heres a fact for you tim if fedor came to the ufc he would get a instant title shot- if barnett came to the ufc he would be favored no matter who they put him in there with.
Bottom line Rory Fedor has some pretty crapy wins too against NO NAMES along with some big names, i am not doubting Fedor accomplishments nor abilities i am merely making a point of records to those who want to make that the ultimate point for Fedor being the best.
I am sorry but someone with over 100 fights is more worth the title of one of the best more so than a man with only 32 fights…wether they were against no names who cares they are all FIGHTS and you must still fight as no fighter can be overlooked no matter if they are a no name or not.
Who are you to judge those who are so called No names?
Your missing my point you cant point out Fedors Record as him being the best ever when you have fighters who have a more substantial Record then his with wins or losses….
Fedor is one of the best…Fact
Fedor is the Best…Not a Fact
IT HAS YET TO BE PROVEN!!!
UNTIL THEN ITS ONLY SPECULATION FROM OBSERVATION…
Barnett was already in the UFC before…Fedor would not get an instant Title match as no one in the history of the UFC has ever gotten an instant title match…he would still need to have at least 1 fight in the UFC for that.
I do not see Dana letting the chance of someone coming into the UFC and in his first fight there win his title and then up and leave. Dana ist stupid..Fedor would have to earn it like everyone else, he is no favorite…Brock still waiting till his 4th fight to get 3rd in the UFC and he wasa rookie…Dana said it himself Fedor would have to earn his spot for a title fight if he came over.
Rory…NEWS FLASH FEDOR IS HUMAN…he isnt the ruler of MMA nor would he ever be given an instant title fight in the UFC. He would have to earn it as did everyone else past and present UFC champ has done.
I am done with this…Fedor is a great fighter….this will be a interesting fight….it could go either way….as stated i think this is the breaking point for affliction MMA this show must break even or turn a profit which i can honestly see it doing and i am not one to say that…
Dave, being dominant does not make you invincible that is my problem with most fans. Anderson Silva DOMINATES his weight class too. Does that make him the best ever?
And apparently you don’t know other sports very well if you think Dana’s behavior is unique. Ever hear of Marge Schott? Mark Cuban? George Steinbrenner?
Like Cobra said – the UFC is doing just fine without Fedor, and vice-versa.
As I have said many, many times, I am a huge fan of Fedor’s, but the man cannot walk on water. At the moment, I agree, he is the number one heavyweight; he is great, but he can lose!
In response to your response to Tim – why are you trying so hard to discount everyone ELSE’S accomplishments?
actually dana said he would get a instant title and no he wouldn't sign a one fight deal it would be a multiple deal and dana would admitt that he is the best ever and there is a big difference in fighting so called cans in pride and rings than fighting guys in some no name show in kentucky sorry if you don't see the difference but there is
than you say
Fedor is the Best…Not a Fact- than who is?
he won more votes than any other fighter who does he neeed to prove it too?
roy…punctuation…please, learn it!
You're going by VOTES to prove who's the best? Yeah, that's a reliable ranking system.
the fedor hate on here is rediculous. Tim saying jeremy horn and hughes have better records than fedor is absurd. jeremy horn has 19 losses 8 being by submission and 2 by tko or ko. his fights are padded with nobodies. Hughes has lost by tko or ko 4 times and submitted twice.
fedor has lost by cut once and has faced tons of world champions. Fedor isnt invincible everyone can lose but he hasnt yet. everyone likes to tear someone down who seems unstopable.
another thing is Dana white has been quoted and so has frank mir that if fedor would sign he would immediatly get a title shot so maybe u should do a little research before you spout off on things.
im with you roy theres no use trying to convince these people how good fedor is if his 30-1 record, destroying 5 ufc heavyweight champions, destroying Crocop in his prime, and beating everyone from small to hundreds of pounds heavier than him isnt enough nothing will. this site is getting increasingly less fun to post on because of all the TUF nutthuggers who think UFC=MMA. Ive got news for you people the UFC isnt the NFL and it isnt the NBA. Japan has most of the top ranked fighters from 155 down, Brazil has awesome fighters than dont fight in the UFC, Affliction has most of the top ranked Heavyweights, and Strikeforce has some of the top ranked fighters in the world aswell. Just because fedor hasnt sold his life over to the UFC doesnt make him any less of a champion. Barnette and arlovski are both ranked higher than either of the champions in the ufc right now so why does fedor need to come to the ufc right now? beating the #2 and #3 heavyweights isnt good enough? No he needs to come beat the ones who arent in the top 5 yet.
but seriously how sad has ur guy's side of the arguement gotten when u gotta say fedors record is about as good as jeremy horn's lol. ive trained at jeremy horns gym i live pretty close to it he's a badass and has had tons of fights but come on… jeremy horn and fedor.
It's not just fedors awesome record its how he's only gone to a decision 7 times. he doesnt just win he destroys people.
and tim u said
"Fedor is one of the best…Fact
UNTIL THEN ITS ONLY SPECULATION FROM OBSERVATION…"
cool man then after brock lesnar has 30 fights i'll say the same thing. You could say that about any fighter till the day they die. The fact is fedor has the most impressive win streak in mma right now because of how long hes been unbeaten and who he's beaten. Period. and you cant find anyone who is more impressive right now so ur argument is a feeble one.
Damn strait…i will stick my comments and Brock is one of the best but he is not the best/greatest ever until proven himself.
Whats not to understand about my comments i was merely pointing out records…
Look again i am not trying to hate on FEdor…at all…but when you speak of he has the best record in MMA period…I FUCKING DISAGREE.. when you have legends who are 80-19 and 86-16, and current fighters who are 16-9 and 34-1 etc… how can you make that statemetn that Fedor has the best record…you treat him like he is a God but he is really far from…thats like me saying Lesnar has the best record in MMA…its ridiculous….while Fedor is a great fighter and ultimately bound for hall of fame in MMA i dont think he is the best and that is my opinion…and he defenetly does not have the best record…hmm a guy who loses 16 or 19 fights out of 108 compared to a man who is 31-1….you can fucking compare the win to loss ratio until Fedor has over 80 fights in MMA which he will never ever ever get to…shit he probably wont ever make it to 50…so basically out of the 32 fighters he has ever faced you are saying Fedor is the best in the world…he has only faced 32 fighters in the world while other have face 40, 50, 60 100 plus fighters… you can discredit the wins all you want but fact is a fight is a fight and no one is counted out, i mean its not like i am comparing Fedor record to a guy who has 100 fights and has lost half or even more than half of them…
All i am saying for all you losers you can not discredit someone who has fought 2, 3, 4 times as many times as someone has fights and wins combined.
I am sorry but the most impressive win streak in MMA right now is Machida at 16….
Again until Fedor fights in the octogon the speculation remains wether he is the best of the best or not….truly he deserves his credit for his accomplishments no doubt but he is not the best ever period nor does he have the best record.
Your right as of now Fedor is the best but he is not the best ever as of now as he has yet to have proven this by fighting in all levels of MMA.
Disagree all you want my opinions are mine and thats what makes MMA great the controversy.
Correction 16-0, 18-1 etc…
quality of wins over quantity and how you won those fights tim that's all i have to say. losing by cut doesnt really count in my eyes. Fedor has beaten a lot more high level oponents than machida has. Machida very well could beat fedors legacy when its all said and done but as of right now he hasnt.
"Your right as of now Fedor is the best but he is not the best ever as of now as he has yet to have proven this by fighting in all levels of MMA."
^ that made no sense… he's the best but not the best of all time? whos better? name someone and i'll tell u why at this point in time fedor is better. im not trying to put you down im just curious who you think is better. everyone has an oppinion i respect yours i just dont see how anyone could be put above fedor right now when he just knocked out tim sylvia in 36 seconds and then finished the number 2 heavyweight in the world in under a round.
I must've missed the part where people are "hating" on Fedor….
You must have missed the part where people are hating on Fedor?? Ok I think you hate on him and Tim WOW. THats all Tim does is hate on Fedor b/c he is so up the ass of the STEROID FREAK Brock Lesnar. First it was how fedor isnt the baddest man on the planet and how he was a bitch b/c he didnt fight to the death remeber that guys? Now its he isnt the best b/c he hasnt fought in a cage. And he is saying that 86-16-7 is better than 31-1. LOL 16 losses 7 draws. Hughes record is 43-7. You think Fedor will go or would go worse than 12-6 in 18 more fights? He would have to win less than 50% of his next 18 fights Tim. You have no clue what your talking about really. You act like Fedor is at a disadvantage in the cage and how he would have so much trouble or could lose and do terrible. Just stop. Nobody agrees with you. No matter how many posts in a row you do. You are only making yourself look dub by trying to downplay Fedor soo much and yet you say Lesnar is "great" but he is 3-1. Yah maybe he has just as good of a record as fedor aswell? Let me guess Lesnar will be 40-1 when he retires right Tim? Fedor has some of the sickest ground and pound actually probally the sickest ground and pound from open guard that I have ever seen. His his hit like hammers coming down on peoples faces. If he could toss them against the cage what makes you think he couldnt get them. Then he is a master of the armbar. I dont know why I did this. I have already said all this to Tim already last time he posted like 100,000 posts on Fedor. Stop hating Tim Lesnar will never be as good face it and its too bad you never watched Pride like most of us. If you did you might not be saying all this ignorant shit!!!
his his=his hands*
making yourself look dumb*
Did anyone in here say that Fedor was bad? No.
I have said over and over that I'm a fan – I've said that he's great. All I said is that he's NOT a god. Tim has said the same thing. He has given completely legitimate reasons why he's not one.
In the comparison between the records, you're missing the point. The point is when Fedor gets 100 fights under his belt, he very well COULD HAVE 16 losses. Guess what, in Jeremy Horn's first 32 fights, he only had 2 losses – does that make HIM the best ever? It was a GOOD comparison, you just missed the point.
i didn't know this was spelling class
nichole…tact…please, learn it
tim i could show you how wrong you are but whats the point.
I am wrong for basing my opinions…SO a Fucking what…i dont give a shit what you think and neitehr do you.
steve, i have said it before and i will say it again, i am not a Fedor Hater i just do not think he is the best of all time with only 32 FUCKING fights compared to others with 40, 50, 60, 80 and over 100 fights….no matter the quality of the opponent or not is not for you to determine…do you know every fighter Dan Sever Faced were they all pushovers? NO every fight is a fight…just becuase Fedor has faced 5 ex UFC fighters and won you say he is the best Ever…..come on the only person on this site with some logic is Nichole….
Thats all i am saying logical reason on why Fedor is not the best ever as that can be debated and No one will ever know for sure until Fedor fights in the Octogon and has at least 50 times… you can not say that a man with 32 fights has the better record than someon who has over 100 and has lost only 19 times…hmm they have won 86 fights and Fedor has won 31…who has more wins and have faced MORE COMPETITION..
This is the fact Fedor has not faced everyone and simply can only be regarded as being the best at the moment but as steve stated the best there is, was and ever will be… thats going to extreme when you clearly have vets and current fighters with better records than his….You want to point out competition…fedor has only faced 32 fighters…while Horm and Severn have faced over 100..now thats a legitimate record that could be considered one of the bes ever.
No one is doubting Fedor and his accomplishments or his legacy…again all i a have been saying is Fedors Record is not the best….
I never said
sorry, i never said Horm and Severn were the best i stated their RECORDS can be considered one of the best ever
You are the only one saying that horns record and Severns record is better than Fedors. So im not the only one saying that your coment was stupid. If a guy has lost 19 times his record is NOT the best of all times. 90% of horns and severns wins are against local competition. Thats like getting in a bar fight against a guy who is trashed for Horn and top guys of mma. I dont see how you think that record is better. Especially when Fedor really hasnt lost. You're saying his record isnt good when you know this. That is what is so pathetic about your arguement. Sorry your hate for Fedor and love for Lesnar gets you targeted. Get over it Fedor is the best no matter how bad you dont want to accept it.
80-19-5. Horns record. This is average 4-1 in every 5 fights. Fedors record is 31-1. There is a fact for ya.
For records, you guys should go by winning percentage, not wins, and have a minimum number of fights (Say, 10-15 min). (Draws and no contests, for this example, I've counted as half-points):
FEDOR: .953 (or, .968, because that loss should be a NC)
SILVA (Anderson): .857
BJ PENN: .710 (plus one hissy fit)
I just threw in Penn to make fun of him crying and bringing his mommy to the hearings. haha.
Roy – punctuation isn't spelling, but if you want someone to take your post seriously, they need to be able to READ it. And tact? Do you even know what tact is?
Steve – the more fights you have, the better the chance of your record taking a hit (by percentage or otherwise). When Fedor has 100 fights, we'll see how it compares to Horn/Severn/Hughes/whoever.
lol @ Cobra for the Penn comparison!
Roy – punctuation isn’t spelling, but if you want someone to take your post seriously, they need to be able to READ it. And tact? Do you even know what tact is?
as soon as i wrote that i thought you would bring that up, i should have said english class, and yes i know what tact is but maybe you don't, seeing as you don't have much.
cobra good numbners it shows nichole and tim don't know what there talking about, and how many fighters in any sport get 100 fights under there belt not many and for good reason, if a fighter gets to 40 fights in his career that is a alot.
THis is how i see this fight going down. During the staredown Barnett stares deep into Fedor's soul and by sheer amazement alone is knocked out by the supernatural power that Fedor possesses. Then, Jesus Christ himself acsends from the heavens where he is sporting a 4,532-0 mma record and Fedor successfully and easily puts him in an armbar 13 seconds into the first round. This displeases God and he brings Fedor up into the heavens to have a one on one grudge match with old Pride rules applying. Realizing the mistake he made by bringing Fedor up into the heavens, God lays down and realizes that Fedor is the real God. Now Fedor sits atop the worldly throne. His first actions of God of the universe is to make Dana White his personal towel boy as Fedor competes in other worldly Sambo competitions. Then he cures cancer, defeats Darth Vader, and saves everyone from apocalypse by throwing one punch at the mega asteriod heading our way.
or I can see an armbar second round or something like that.
nichole u always have to throw in NOOBODY'S SAYING HE'S NOT GREAT WE ARE JUST SAYING HE'SM NOT GOD.
who has said he's god?
Tim ill ask for the millionth time who do u think is the greatest of all time if not for fedor?
Steve #80 was an awesome post way to blow the fedor haters out of the water
roy – I'm not telling that your dog died. Tact is not something you really need in here.
Yes, it is more sensible to go by percentage, but when one person has 100+ fights and the other only has 30+, it's still not a perfect comparison.
dane – No one says he's god (except for Al above), but you sure do act like it.
I just said he's god ^^^ You can't say Fedor's not the best. It's like saying having a cold beer on a hot day is not the best thing. We all know the facts, who he's beat, and in what dominating fashion. Countless arguments and slanderish name calling on this website is not going to change anyone's opinion of Fedor. You love him or hate him. People want to tear down greats and find holes in fighters game. And the Fedor, A. Silva, and Machida are the three fighters right now in who I could not explain on how to defeat.
"I’m not telling that your dog died. Tact is not something you really need in here."
you've proven that time and time again nichole
If a boxer has a 125-12 record in the amatuer ranks and has only beaten journeymen at best and has lost all 12 of his losses to the good amatuers they dont look at his record as being great. They would much rather have the guy who is 31-1 or whatever if the guy has beat other top guys. I fyou dont understand this I cant get through to you. Im not missing the point Nichole. If fedor fought the quality of fighters that Horn has fought or Severn he would probally only have that 1 loss honestly. Really the guy really shouldnt have even a blemish on his record. Its unbelievable how we are having to defend a record such as 31-1 as being one of the best records in all of mma. What HW has a record close to this exactly? A top HW that is. Name someone that has close to the respect among fighters as Fedor does. GSP, Anderson, and Machida. These are the only guys who have that respect right now. Its not just us calling him non human. Ask the top fighters about him they always pick him to win and say that he is gonna win b/c he is Fedor. Wow thats saying something dont ya think. Sylvia said he isnt human when asked about him after his fight. Has he said that about anyone else? I dont think so. Fedors is a BADASS who doesnt have to be the strongest or the fastest. He doesnt need the best technique or to be the most athletic. This is why he is so great. He just flat out wins. As forrest Griffin once said about himself. Hes just a dawg;)
who cares what the top fighters think steve nichole has way more mma experience and knowledge lol
dane – The point was that "tact" was not the appropriate word choice. An MMA forum is not a place where ANYONE "uses" tact.
Steve – "Its unbelievable how we are having to defend a record such as 31-1 as being one of the best records in all of mma. "
Problem is you weren't all talking about him as having the best record, you were all just flat out saying he's the best EVER.
And Al – you don't HAVE to love him OR hate him. Just be realistic.
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