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Arial Helwani and UFC President Dana White discuss, Who is the pound for pound best fighter in the world?
Helwani did a pathetic job of making a case for Fedor, who aside from doing very little recently is the best HW in the world without a doubt and is in the top 5 pound for pound without a doubt. White's argument is a good one, but obviously lopsided.
What do you expect from Dana White, of course he is going to be biased but he does make some good points about Anderson Silva being p4p fighter, although Fedor's record really tells it all, no one will ever compare to his record, Fedor is pound for pound the best fighter in the world because he is such a small heavyweight yet he has been able to destroy the top heavyweights in the world for the past 10 years undefeated! I don't know why Helwani didn't say anything else to state his case for Fedor, its a shame
For quite a while I was of the belief that Fedor was the best p4p fighter. I've actually changed my opinion with time. There is validity in the argument that Fedor simply hasn't faced valid competition. These 2nd tier organizations simply don't put him up against the competition he'd get if he were to fight the UFC's roster of fighters in his weight class.
Ariel has earned my respect over the year or so since I started hearing his interviews, but he's not ready yet to be anything more than an interviewer. Just ask the questions, Ariel, and all will be OK. He made zero case for Fedor other than Fedor is undefeated, technically speaking. But Dana had reasons behind his argument. So, right or wrong, Dana easily TKO'ed Ariel in that debate. And you know what? I can't argue with anything Dana said to back up why Silva is a better P4P fighter than Fedor. Either way, honestly all this P4P talk is really silly and just takes up time. There's no award, money, or decisive accolades that one can receive so let's just worry about who's the best in their divisions…something we can settle with real fights.
Dana is the biggest crybaby i have ever seen. He is just mad because Fedor isn't in UFC . Dana is just another rich f**ker who wants a toy he cannot get.
if dana wanted fedor he would be in the ufc. the ufc and fedor both do fine without each other. fedor has one fight in the ufc that matters somewhat and thats lesnar. there are zero other heavyweight fighters that even have a chance. its not frank mir who got out grappled by roy nelson thats for sure.
i highly doubt fedor would ever go to the ufc. i cant see any reason that would benefit fedor.
at this point its hard to say anderson silva is not the p4p best in the world.
these guys are current legends at their weight class
bj penn lw
Well Mike, for one Fedor was offered superior money to join the UFC, he could stake a claim on the PfP and dispel the myth that he is scared, he would get more recognition with the UFC than all the other leauges combined, he would face a dozen well promoted HW's and possibly some well heeled Light HW's, as opposed to fighting in a minor leauge that poses little competition.
Mac, it's people like you who prove just how powerful a great marketing team is. The UFC is the best but it's not bigger than the sport. What most of you fail to consider is that while Anderson Silva only fights guys who weigh in at exactly his same weight and only guys that Dana White signs to a multifight deal – Fedor has been dominating anyone they have thrown at him for over ten years now. Guys who outweigh him by 70 pounds or more and still get KTFO. He has always fought in organizations who participate in cross promotions which leaves a much larger talent pool to pull opponents from. One thing you have to admit is that if by some miracle, Anderson Silva and Fedor fought, Fedor would kill him inside one round. He is only about 45 pounds heavier – a margin which Fedor usually gets the short end of the stick of and still kills 'em. Silva is awesome but he has shown signs of weakness with a few losses. You can't say that about Fedor. The only mark against Fedor is that he hasn't fought in the UFC but if you think about it, who really is going to challenge him there. Lesnar? A guy who has only fought 5 times and lost to Frank Mir who is completely aweful? Come on! Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Fedor in it but at this point I agree with Mike. Dana has talked so much shit on Fedor over the years that he can't risk letting him come in and destroy what his marketing team has created. It would make him look like an idiot and he is too stubborn to just give into Fedor's only demand to allow him to compete in Sambo once a year. Don't get so offended UFC fans, I love Silva but he hasn't shown the consistant dominance over the years that Fedor has. Stats don't lie.
OK, speaking of stats, I took the Top 5 Fighters most consider to be the Top 5 P4P Fighters today. I took their records, Finish percentage in their wins, Wins vs Top-Ranked Opponents (includes title fights), and Finishes vs Top-Ranked Opponents (includes title fights), then took the averages of these percentages, and came up with the following "Cobra-P4P Ratings"…and stats don't lie…
25-4, 19 Finishes, 8-0 v. Top-Ranked (T.R.), 5 Finishes v. T.R.
31-1 (1), 24 Finishes, 19-0 (1) v. T.R., 14 Finishes v. T.R.
15-5-1, 12 Finishes, 11-5-1 v. T.R., 8 Finishes v. T.R.
20-2, 15 Finishes, 14-2 v. T.R., 8 Finishes v. T.R.
23-4 (1), 15 Finishes, 8-1 v. T.R., 3 Finishes v. T.R.
Therefore, statistically, the top P4P Fighters are (and their "Cobra P4P Score"):
1. Fedor: 84
2. Silva: 81
3. GSP: 75.88
4. BJ: 68.25
5. Aoki: 67.25
OK, now let's get on with talking about something that can be proven in the cage, and not by numbers and/or opinions.
I think people still give Fedor credit for his over all career instead of what him and others have done lately. If Fedor was beating top 5 HWs still then I'd give him the nod. You have clever statistics Clutch but those numbers will continue to drop as Fedor won't be facing top 5 guys until he goes to the UFC and I'm tired of watching Anderson waste time at MW. He has shown that he could take the 205 title if things went his way. GSP hasn't shown that he can fight at MW yet and BJ has done good at higher divisions than LW plus finishes people at LW unlike GSP has lately so between them 4 I'd have #1 – Anderson, #2 – BJ, #3 – GSP, #4 – Fedor… that's just how I see P4P rankings and it's just my opinion. Yes, GSP beat BJ but at WW… BJ's LW and think he's more impressive in his own division than GSP is.
I also think Anderson could take out Machida, Shogun, Rashad and Rampage easier than Fedor could do with Carwin, Lesnar, Mir and Cain but again that's just my opinion.
Indeed that is the main argument and the point that Dave brought up about Fedors dominance during his run with Pride. Does doing nothing the past couple of years diminish his record to those Belt Holders that defend their titles several times per year?
Therein lies the question and as Fedor prepares for his upcoming bout with a solid opponent could very well begin the answer.
I still think that people are overrating the UFC's heavyweights. First of all, Mir stinks – can we stop including him amongst 'the best HW in the world' talk now?. I like Carwin though. I also think Lesnar is great too but why aren't you guys equally critical of him. The guy has only won four fights and is .500 against Mir. He hasn't fought for almost a year and talk about someone who hasn't faced anyone! Couture? Come on – I love the guy but he is average at this point in his career. So if you are going to use the analogy that Fedor doesn't have enough quality opponents of late then you have to say that about the other guys you are comparing him to. I also wouldn't be so quick to dismiss guys like Brett Rogers, Werdum and Overeem just becuase they aren't under contract with Dana White. Since Overeem started juicing in 2007 he has been on a roll.
BTW Cobra, I am a sucker for statistical creativity. Especially when the stats reflect an agreement with my opinion! Nice work on the "Cobra-P4P Ratings".
As a Fedor fan I simply cannot wait for him to solidify his status, but let's face it, he must have bouts once per season. Being the face of Strikeforce I cannot understand why they are sitting on him.
There many great points and Mac made some great points to get this started. I also agree with Dave that the UFC HWs are over rated. some of the HWs in th UFC are winning because of size and not skill – a 30 pound difference is Anderson Silva fighting BJ Penn…the same thing. I also like CobraClutch's stats. I think that the beautiful about this question is that there is no wrong or right answer and that we will never know the real anser, because let's face, Fedor is not going to fight BJ Penn. This is one of the questions, like Jordan vs Kobe, Mary Ann vs. Ginger, you can't go wrong either way.
In my opinion, I have to rank Anderson and GSP 1 and 2…not sure of the order but 1 and 2. I would then pick Fedor at 3 and BJ Penn at 4. I am thinking that right now,m I would put Jose Aldo at 5.
I am huge Fedor supporter. I have supported him on many threads, even when he did not buckle to Dickhead Dana and the UFC…but at this point in his career he does not fight often enough (in or out of the UFC) to earn the #1 spot.
I vote Dave for President. Very well put Dave! For me I beleave Fedor would Dominate UFC Heavyweights, but as bad as I hate it he will loose one day,and so will Anderson.
Brown Belt. EXACTLY YOU CANNOT DO IT ONCE A YEAR AND BE THE BEST AT WHAT YOU DO! he beat alot of former UFC HVY champs, some past their orime some not, and lets remember pride rules are different and if you mean to tell me some ufc fighters couldnt win more fights if they could kick a grounded opponent in the head your fucking crazy. fedor had a few freak show fights too. bottom line we argue about this all the time and the same thing happens, it doesn't matter because fedor won't step up and fight for the big boys. Overeem won't pass a drug test and if he does he will likely get worked. Barnett is a great hvy too but same drug issues, carwin can test brock, do i think he will win as in if i had to bet i would say no. Strikeforce doesn't have more that maybe one or 2 more fights for fedor and the ufc would have about 3 or maybe 4 if you count velazquez and dos santos. randy doesnt have what he had, if vera can give him a run fedor would crush him. Bottom line lets just talk about something else.
STEVEO, I ask this so much on this particular website, but you don't really think Fedor didn't sign with the UFC because he is afraid, right? ("it doesn’t matter because fedor won’t step up and fight for the big boys.") It's basically as simple as a little bit of business and a lot of ego since Dana won't let him compete once a year in Russian Sambo. I DO agree with you that it would be a better and more interesting next couple of years if Fedor were fighting in the UFC, but he will still be tested by guys like Overeem and Werdum. Personally, I think Cain would be the best challenge for him in the UFC right now. I'm still not convinced that Lesnar has done enough to prove that he isn't just a product of Dana's marketing machine. I'm not saying I don't love to watch him fight, but I'll respect him a lot more if he gets past some legitimate guys like Carwin and Velasquez.
We're going to find out a lot about Lesnar in his match with the heavy-handed Carwin.
He could be scared, his good friend and likewise Pride compatriot; Cro Cop came to the UFC after becoming one of the most feared Pride Fighters and instantly was overwhelmed by the UFC class of fighters. Also instantly his reputation plummeted from being considered a top tier fighter to just one of the masses, perhaps Fedor saw this and decided to take an easier route, on top of which he was going to get far more money than any other MMA fighter in the world probably upped the pressure and the stress of having to dominate, so he took the easier road instead.
Regarding Overeem, I think you are right, however Dave you must remember how easily Chuck Liddell destroyed Overeem in the ring. UFC fans remember, so they have little faith in him regardless of his new steroid physique and horse meat diet.
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